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Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
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Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

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Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
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http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

One more day...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

[insert a witty tag here]

Hey, if Utli can do it, so can I.
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Current Pick: Mario; Current Vote: Mario; Points: 35/38
SFF, yo!

Jeez, these topics are going fast.
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I am the Angel of Death. The day of purification has come.

Why so early??
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Utli?

I've seen my name misspelled so many times at this point that I'm honestly waiting for someone to call me ****tard and claim it to be an accident.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Bleh, you got the idea.
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Current Pick: Mario; Current Vote: Mario; Points: 35/38
SFF, yo!

man **** tar- er, Ulti, you guys make these quick.


(you knew as soon as you said it... bleh, forget details.)
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First Round Score: 30/32, Second Round Score: 6/6
My Winner: Sephiroth, My Next Pick: Mario, anyone tired of this division yet? *LISTEN TO KOSMO RADIO*

God damn I hate that Utlitard.

In serious news, who is looking forward, besides HM, to seeing MM break 60?
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HK-47, much like my wang-size, was nearly doubled by Sora!
The Icon was owned by Celes42

xD Icon.

But I don't think he breaks 60. I'll give him... say 58.5, yea, that sounds fair.
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First Round Score: 30/32, Second Round Score: 6/6
My Winner: Sephiroth, My Next Pick: Mario, anyone tired of this division yet? *LISTEN TO KOSMO RADIO*

I honestly doubt Mega Man will break 60%. Tidus is considerably stronger than Zelda.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

In serious news, who is looking forward, besides HM, to seeing MM break 60?

Meh, I think 62.5-37.5, but I may just be horrendously wrong =P

Oh well, we'll just see tommorrow.
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I am the Angel of Death. The day of purification has come.

58 sounds about right, though if he gets a bit above 60 I will not drop dead. Personally I am hoping for somewhere in the low 50s, just because I think this board might implode if Teeeeedus gives Mega Man a close match.
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

Just got back from my vacation.

The extrapolated standings are gonna be a hoot this year. Ganon below CATS, Alucard well below 10%, here we come...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

*is impressed by Mega Man's percentage*
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"WE LIEK HITELR MOR CUZ HE AHS A CUULER LOKE AN GON ARMM ATTCKS!" ~MWiS/Scipio Africanus

I have Ryu.H winning that one. And Frog winning his match
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40/40 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Zero

So it looks liek that I'm gonna overtake you in these next two weeks; I have Sora =)
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"WE LIEK HITELR MOR CUZ HE AHS A CUULER LOKE AN GON ARMM ATTCKS!" ~MWiS/Scipio Africanus

Nah, Hayabusa's going to win it.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

Shouldn't you be slaving over some ridiculously complicated boards odd project?
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"WE LIEK HITELR MOR CUZ HE AHS A CUULER LOKE AN GON ARMM ATTCKS!" ~MWiS/Scipio Africanus

You called it, HM. Good show. I just hope you're right when it comes to Mega having enough strength to not get killed by Link, because it would be cool to see.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I just hope you're right when it comes to Mega having enough strength to not get killed by Link, because it would be cool to see.

So Mega Man gets 45% on Link? That's okay. Link will still win >.>
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"WE LIEK HITELR MOR CUZ HE AHS A CUULER LOKE AN GON ARMM ATTCKS!" ~MWiS/Scipio Africanus

Bah, snowflake don't say that please. Especially not when Ryu is winning plz. And how are you going to overtake me on that match? Do you have Link winning the contest? And Frog winning? And crono winning? and Cloud in the finals?
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40/40 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Zero

I have all of that. But don't worry; I have Frog over Solid. Expect me to be on the leaderboard from Ryu/Sora till then.
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"WE LIEK HITELR MOR CUZ HE AHS A CUULER LOKE AN GON ARMM ATTCKS!" ~MWiS/Scipio Africanus

But don't worry I will stay on the leaderboard as a perfect for the next round and till the end of the contest. But I don't live in America so I can't get any prices though.
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40/40 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Zero

Actually, I've been thinking that Cloud will win for a while now.
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"WE LIEK HITELR MOR CUZ HE AHS A CUULER LOKE AN GON ARMM ATTCKS!" ~MWiS/Scipio Africanus

I added the Hayabusa/Jill graphs to the Excel file ('twas about time, no?) and improved the sheets a bit, so that those of you running on lower resolutions won't have to scroll much horizontally.

Link: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/sc2k4.xls
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

That...is the strongest argument in Link's favor that I've heard. It was over 2 million, that I'm sure of. Probably at least 2.5 million, although it might not be over 3. Seriously, Collector's Edition could easily be enough to propel Link over Cloud, and prevent Mega Man from beating him.

You certain it was that high? I know they didn't have the Zelda Bundle for very long, but it was during that huge sales boom they had due to the price drop. If the bundle was in place over Thanksgiving, then it sold at least around 700,000, if memory serves correctly.

I thought that they had it from October to February, which was a great selling period for the GCN. I'm absolutely certain that it was over 2 million.

Do you know how much it would rock if we had an all-robot finals, Mega Man vs. Samus

and it can actually happen
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Summer 2004 Contest 35/40 Mega Man vs. Tidus

psssst...Samus is a woman, not a robot.

Yeah, but we used the Collector's Edition logic to predict that the Zelda games were going to blow everyone away in the Spring Contest, and what did we get in the end? More Square domination.

I still feel good about having picked Cloud as my Champ.

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the-elite.net
The Guru Scoreboard: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/04SumGurus.xls
Contest Archives: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs

Well HM is right. Mega Man HAS increased since last year. Either that, or we're saying that Zelda is more popular than Tidus (AND Ganondorf?). Especially since Square voters are very consistent. How much of it is attributed to MMAC rather than margin of error is the question. Another thing about HM's push for Mega Man is that he's basing it on everyone else staying at the same strength. I have a strong feeling that Link may have increased from last year as well.

Nonetheless, it looks like the Noble Nine has separated itself from the rest of the pack. None of the would-be challengers from last year look to be a threat this year in the rankings due to obvious reasons (Magus, Ganondorf, Tidus, Shadow, Bowser). The only hopes now are for Auron and Squall to turn in good performances against Cloud and Sephiroth, then to have Cloud/Sephiroth DESTROY Sonic/Samus. Or to have Mega Man win.... <_<

Question: Does anyone think that factors outside of games, such as TV shows, have any effect on the contest?

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Who do we think is the bracket favorite to win the whole thing? Link, Mario, Cloud, Sephiroth? Those are the only four I can think of who would have a chance, though obviously I feel Link and Cloud are the two most likely. Since GameFAQs=FFVII Heaven, I would have to lean towards Cloud, but the only qualm I have about that is seeing under 10% think he would win it last year. And I only threw Mario in there because he is probably the most recognized gaming icon in the industry, and as such the casual bracketeer might feel this contest is his to lose.
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

It's obviously Link or Cloud based on the leaderboard. Link is the favorite on the board according to the BOP. Mario? Bah... He was a favorite in 2002 mainly because he's considered THE video game icon. Which is probably why so many people supported him AND went against him. All eyes were on Mario in that contest.

Now? I think people are accepting the fact that it's OKAY to like other characters more than Mario and *gasp* some characters might actually be more popular!
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Link is most likely the bracket favorite considering he's also the favorite to win the contest period.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Favorite based on what?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Favorite based on the fact that more people think Link will win the contest more than any other character.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

That's a bad way to look at it. The guy a couple of posts up just pointed out that Cloud was only predicted to win by 10% of the brackets last year, and he won. Being a bracket favorite to win doesn't mean anything, and that is the perfect example.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Who cares if it doesn't mean anything. No one said it did. He asked a question and I answered it.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Link appears to be the favorite in the brackets. There is no actual favorite.

Anyway, even I didn't think Mega Man would do this well, I had suspected that Tidus had raised enough to keep MM under 60. I was wrong. If Tidus raised even a small ammount then MM's chances for the crown are legitimate.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

This raises one question.


Why is Zelda not in this contest?

Because she got outnominated by (at least) 10 other Nintendo characters. Duh.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

Well obviously, but these results today lead me to believe that Zelda could atleast be better than Bowser, DK, Luigi, Yoshi, ... well ALL Nintendo characters outside the Big Three and Gannondorf.

Last year Zelda sat in-between Bowser and Yoshi
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

CJayC should increase the company limit to 15. It would only affect 3 companies anyways (Square, Nintendo, Capcom). I'd love to see Zelda, Fox, and new people like Mewtwo and Diddy Kong get a chance as well as bringing in more Street Fighters (Ken, Chun Li). I'm sure everyone will be happy with Aeris (and Vincent I guess, although I don't understand why he is so popular).
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

^.^

Mega is over 60.
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HK-47, much like my wang-size, was nearly doubled by Sora!
The Icon was owned by Celes42

HOLY ****.. I didn't think Megaman would be able to break 64% on Tidus but he's actually doing better.. Wow.. Now i think he is a serious conteder to win it all, maybe even upsetting Link/Cloud himself.. Way to go Megaman!!!!

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Freaking amazing. He's still got plenty of day vote to go, and he may even end up taking over 655 at close...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

CJayC should increase the company limit to 15. It would only affect 3 companies anyways (Square, Nintendo, Capcom).

Nah I thik that 10 is more than enough, unless he has a Squaresoft division with only Squaresoft character and one for 16 Nintendo charaters, but that would be a very boring contest.


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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .38/40

Bah.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'd wager that, if the cap was removed, Ceej would still snub a deserving midcarder like Alucard or Ryu and keep the same amount of fodder.
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This space reserved for the Summer Guru Contest winner!

Megaman is now practically on the level of the big three. Good golly.

However, I'm taking that with a grain of salt. The logic that gives Megaman as a strong contender for the title also gives Samus as outright champion. I'm waiting to see if he can whoop on Snake in a similar fashion, since Snake isn't all that much stronger than Tidus.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

It's still nice to see Samus and MM performing near Clinkeroth's level, though. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Samus? Near? Try "well above", man.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

>_<

Yes, well.. I forgot about the whole 77-78% for Clinkeroth and her getting around 82%. Sue me. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

...Megaman/Samus final....

FWAHAHA!
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

I would love to see that final. Talk about a breath of fresh air to the contest...
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

If Lara stayed constant, Samus would get 64% on Cloud. O_O
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

I would also love to see a Megaman/Samus final, talk about a bracket buster!
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .38/40

If Lara stayed constant, Samus would get 64% on Cloud. O_O

Goddamn. O_o

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Goddamn, right. This deserves its own topic, just to see how those who don't read this place would react.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

Whole new tier above the big three if this is true...

God level?
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

"Nah I thik that 10 is more than enough,Nah I thik that 10 is more than enough,"

I disagree. 10 isn't enough, there are so many established characters in the groups that hit the cap that we are limiting the ammount of new blood that we can see and limiting the competive potential of the bracket.

I want to see anybody stronger than Tanner in here, and if the best candidate happens to be capped out then we'll get another Tanner-level character. Mind you, I'm saying this even with the idea of Solid Snake being significantly stronger this year than last. Yes, strong enough to give MM a run for his money like expected despite MM beating Tidus' skull in.

Caps like that are just bad. In a team sport, sure, you wanna stack the decks evenly... but you don't throw Robbert Horry out of the NBA just because he's on (talking 2k3 here, guys) the same team as Shaq and Kobe. This isn't a team sport, though. Mario is just looking for the opportunity to smash Link's head in with a chari while he isn't looking. This is everyman for himself, and if you don't have the strongest competitors in the game then it's not as good as it can be. There is a great potential out there simply being thrown away.

If nothing else, the cap should be raised. 10 characters is simply too restrictive and we won't see more than half a dozen new characters from the big two in any given year. That's fine for Nintendo, since they'd exhaust their list of competitive characters quickly, but Square has so many great characters that deserve a chance but will NEVER get one with the cap. Raise it to twelve and you see a fair ammount of turn over, you don't restrict any minor players, and you make for a more competitive field.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Goddamn, right. This deserves its own topic, just to see how those who don't read this place would react.

When will we be able to tell whether she has actually risen as much as it appears? Against Sonic?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"since Snake isn't all that much stronger than Tidus."

You're comparing them incorrectly. Snake has extenuating circumstances that make him look weaker than he is, Tidus is so damn close to Link with nothing in the way that he is portrayed accurately. Snake will not be beaten like this even if every drop of MM's increase is legit.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Raise the cap by two and hopefully we can add Zelda, Geno, Locke (who I think would be stronger than Kefka), and Vincent.

....Go Snake!

For my account, dammit!
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

Except I don't believe in all this bull.

Try talking to a wall, you may get a better response.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

Unfortunately Geno is owned by Square...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"Try talking to a wall, you may get a better response"

And a more intelligent one, no doubt.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

The maturity level in this topic... -_-
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Just because Snake was kilometers away from Link whereas Tidus was within inches, means jack squat.

Snake lost to Megaman, who lost to Sephiroth, who lost to Cloud.

Tidus lost to Ganondorf, who lost to Magus, who lost to Link, who lost to Cloud.

Tidus's string is actually longer. And there is no proof whatsoever that the length of a string has any effect. See Ryo Hazuki, who was at the losing end of the biggest string last year. Yoshi, who lost to Bowser who lost directly to Cloud, did exactly what he was expected to do.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

Hey, I told everybdy that they were underestimating Auron, Kefka, Ness, and Samus in terms of the SFF they had suffered last year. Has any one of them not performed beyond expectations?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I think that seed has a lot to do with why certain characters get certain numbers. It was said that if Lara stayed constant then Samus would get 60+% on Cloud. That's obviously false and it's not only because we get further and further away from a good TR game but also because Lara's seed drops more and more. Also Tommy Vercetti put up numbers against MegaMan last year that are similar to Tidus' numbers this year. Tommy was a 3 seed last year. Hmmm. Seeds are deceptive. Otherwise Tommy vs. Zero would be a very close match which it most likely won't be. More evidence...Jill vs. Ryu Hayabusa. The much more popular character loses to the ridiculously over seeded ninja. Next year I suspect Ryu will drop to at least a 6 seed and Jill will rise to at least an 11 seed....rematch? If so I'm taking Jill.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Auron? I'll give you that.

Kefka? It was obvious from day 1 there was SFF.

Ness? It has always been a possibility, I don't think anyone ever tried to deny it.

Samus? Here's the catch... everyone in her half-division performed the way they were supposed to, except Crash... who actually went DOWN. If Samus does well this year, it's going to be because of a genuine increase, not because of SFF jibber-jabber.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

"Sephiroth, who lost to Cloud"

And there you have it!

"Tidus's string is actually longer."

No it's not, we consider Link to be the point of reference, not Cloud, and we always have. And, should we be so foolish as to base our comparissons on someone who made a HUGE leap from one year to the next Tidus is still free of SFF while everyone on the other side of the bracket isn't.

"Yoshi, who lost to Bowser who lost directly to Cloud, did exactly what he was expected to do."

Oh yes, because there's no reason Luigi did anything to counteract a larger ammount of SFF that he may have suffered, right?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I have no idea where the SFF would go in either of Yoshi's matches. We won't know this year either, however Bowser wasn't off by too much against Guybrush either.

Luigi? Why in the world do you bring him up? Luigi has nothing to do with Yoshi's OR Ryo's standings. Bowser is the main issue, and he did about as good as expected.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

Sorry to say this, i am not trying to sound bias or anything but I can never see Samus abling to defeat the big three.. The only one I can see possible of defeating the big three is Megaman and no one else..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Anyone toppling the big three sounds wrong. Even Megaman.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

Hence the word "possible" .. I know it will be very slim but it is certainly possible.. As for other characters, NO CHANCE whatsoever..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

"Kefka? It was obvious from day 1 there was SFF."

And I said without doubt that you were SEVERELY underestimating it. I was right.

"I don't think anyone ever tried to deny it."

You think wrong. Why were so many people backing Jak in this very topic? Because they never took into account how much Bowser stomped him with SFF.

"not because of SFF jibber-jabber."

And you're still being a fool. Look at what some of the character who were on Seph's half have done so far. I make special note of Alucard, Bomberman, Gordon Freeman, Max Payne, Solid Snake, Dante, and Mega Man. Some characters are just doing better than we'd expect. Sure, some exceptions apply, but when do they not? Some of those characters have no reason to go up this year, some may even have fair reason to go down. It's too big of a smaple pool as compared to Auron/Cloud to see any deffinate SFF trend, but it's existance is likely.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Anyone toppling the big three sounds wrong. Even Megaman.

Obviously, some people here are not taking Half-Life 2 and Duke Nukem Forever very seriously. Oh well, it's comforting to know that I'll get the last laugh.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

Wait, so you're really thinking that in an indirect comparison, Sephiroth would beat Cloud? I'm just... not willing to buy that.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

"however Bowser wasn't off by too much against Guybrush either"

Comparing 2k2 to 2k3? I'm convinced now!

"Luigi has nothing to do with Yoshi's"

Luigi went against Yoshi directly, and in that match Luigi did slightly less than expected even with the new game. It strike me as odd.

"i am not trying to sound bias or anything but I can never see Samus abling to defeat the big three.. "

Last year almost the exact same thing was said, just replace Samus with anybody and the big three with Link.

"Anyone toppling the big three sounds wrong. Even Megaman."

Anyone toppling Link sounds wrong. Even Cloud.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And for the record, although there is less evidence of the reverse, there still is. From Sonic overperforming to Lara sucking the big one.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

"I'm just... not willing to buy that."

It's possible. He did so in 2k2, you know.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"From Sonic overperforming to Lara sucking the big one."

I have talked at great length about Sonic already... and Lara isn't worth the time of day.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Anyone toppling Link sounds wrong. Even Cloud.

I remember that, and I still can't completely believe it actually happen. Here's to Samus.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

I remember it too, and I remember words just like that being said before it happened. Anything is still possible.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

No one coming within 15000 votes of Link the first year just magnified the shock of Cloud winning. With that kind of logic, no one being able to get 40% on Clinkeroth is begging for an upset winner. I'm not sure it'll happen, but it'd kick ass.

Especially since I have this feeling that if Cloud repeats, it may be our last contest. ;_;
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

Last contest? Nah. We've already talked about how most people don't even remember last year's results, and Ceej isn't oblivious to the big things on the horizon. The next contest is a big question mark, and even Samus looks to be a bigger threat in the furture then she even looks like now, what with me hearing that Metroid Prime 2 is around the corner.

And, after all we've talked about, we could still be wrong about Anti-champion votes. Two contests is hardly enough data to prove anything with certainty, ya know. All we knew last year was that Cloud was on a huge tear and while it didn't make sense for Link to lose to anybody Cloud built and kept his momentum. If Mega Man and Samus keep up like this the jokingly stated MM vs. Samus finals may come to pass.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

I like the cut o ye jib!
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"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat." -Jesse The Body Ventura

Again, I believe either Link or Samus will win the contest next year, hands down...and Master Chief will have a great showing, too, although certainly not win.

As for this year...Link, Cloud, and Sephiroth aren't lookin' so damn untouchable now for sure. Mega Man and Samus are certainly lookin' like worthy opponents, and some people think Crono's gonna put a hurtin' on Link even (those people are sily though =P).
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Geno is an interesting case. He has been in as many Nintendo games as Square games. Even though he is owned by Square, I think you could make a valid excuse to use him as a Nintendo character since he belongs to the Mario universe.

So, should we put Mega Man and Samus on Cloud, Sephiroth's and Link's level? They put very impressive performances.

Oh yes, consider this day Board 8's happiest day EVER.
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Tidus is still free of SFF while everyone on the other side of the bracket isn't.

Even assuming that Cloud SFF'd Sephiroth to the maximum extent (Sephiroth actually = Cloud) it still barely changes the extrapolateds. I don't see how Cloud v Seph SFF could matter in the least.

Max Payne

Tommy and Max were both under Sephiroth. It doesn't make sense for either of them to change relative to each other.

Luigi went against Yoshi directly, and in that match Luigi did slightly less than expected even with the new game. It strike me as odd.


So, what's your argument then? That there was more SFF in Yoshi v Luigi or in Link v Samus?

"It doesn't make sense for either of them to change relative to each other."

... Shh ...

"So, what's your argument then?"

Nothing, really, as I said, it strikes me as being odd.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Certainly Megaman is doing incredible...I now regret putting Snake over Megaman...but Tidus is obviously stronger than Knuckles or not??
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"Meche" ..."Your name sounds like something Nena would say in "99 Luftballoons" Supporter of Samus in SC2k4!

Knuckles would be lucky to get 40% on Tidus. Add to it that Solid Snake has MGS3 hype and had MGS:TTS come out since last year (where he crushed Knuckles a second time)...

...Knuckles needs some prayers in three days if he's gonna avoid gettin' doubled this time, methinks.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

Mega Man's been slowly gaining during the day. I wonder if he can finish with 65%? Today's match makes me very happy - although I have Mega Man in my bracket, I haven't been a believer like Heroic Mario. Now I'm starting to think he might be able to do it.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 38/40
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Mega Man with 59.62%

Keep in mind the theory about Tidus possibly even increasing from last year because of FFX-2. If he actually did gain, at all, that makes this THAT much more impressive.
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If Cloud, Link, or Sephiroth win the contest this year, there will not be another character battle. Guaranteed.

Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting contests!

(And Samus too!)
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Hmm, Mega Man's doing better than I thought, a little less than Link vs. Magus 2003.

We still haven't seen any true showing of Cloud, Link, or Seph yet.

Fodders+SFF.
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I am the Angel of Death. The day of purification has come.

This makes me feel happier about Zelda at least. Although just wow at MegaMan today, a MegaMan Samus final would really be cool, specaillysince Samus would win.
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"If Cloud, Link, or Sephiroth win the contest this year, there will not be another character battle. Guaranteed."

Thanks for the official word ceej, I'm glad to hear it directly from the man who runs the contest instead of some person on the forums who doesn't have any say in it at all.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Moltar's First Thoughs on: Mega Man vs. Tidus

Usual routine this morning. I was in a bit of a hurry, but I still had time to check the polls.

Mega had 62%, Tidus had 38%. I figured Mega would break 60%, and he only had the day vote in his favor.

So I come home now and see Mega with 64.5%. Great job Mega, you might actually put up a fight against Link this year.

And we might have to change Clinkeroth to Clinkeroth Man...
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Bowser vs. Mario - Bracket: Mario - Vote: Mario (36/38)

That's what everyone gets for giving me crap. Mega Man's a damn contender.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Okay, I know it may sound like I'm just trying to justify things, but today's results may not mean anything. Since Sam Vs. Gordon there have been a lot of wonky results.

A lack of casual voters could be bringing Square support down. I know people don't believe me on this, but it's a definite possibility, IMO.

Plus, if MMAC did help Megaman, than LOZ Collection could have helped Link. It came with the friggin Gamecube!!! The Spring Contest means nothing. LOZ got SFF'D and OoT had already had the Bonus Disk out to drum up support. It was our first one, so we have no idea how the games would have stood anyway.

Plus, Twin Snakes may not have beaten MMAC in sales by all that much, if at all, but it was bigger than MMAC at GameFAQS, from what I can tell. We shouldn't be writing Snake off entirely yet.
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"I'm so sly."--Bowser

HM does get credit here, and will probably continue to until Link/Mega Man...but it just might last even longer than that, too.

HM, do ya think Tidus increased at all from FFX-2?
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20XX Division: Round 2 - Match 38 – (5)Tommy V. vs. (4)Zero

Moltar’s Analysis

Tommy V. - Do you think he would be more popular if he was called the “GTA:VC Guy”?

Round 1 – vs. Max Payne (Tommy: 61.96% - Max: 38.04%)

Is Vice City love falling? Tommy underperforms hugely against Max.

Zero - In Spanish, we call him “Cero”

Round 1 – vs. Protoman (Zero: 71.72% - Protoman: 28.28%)

Zero puts up stellar number against Protoman. Think it was SFF?

One of the most boring matches of Round 2. Tommy already showed us last round that he is nowhere near the strength he showed last year, while Zero is still looking good. Zero did make me realize something in his match. His match with Protoman was the first match that featured SFF in this Contest. I mean, people expected Protoman to put up a decent performance, but instead, he gets clobbered. If we would have payed more attention to this match, we would have possibly looked more into SFF in the future matches, like Link/Ganon and Crono/Magus.

But with that said, Zero should win with ease.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Zero will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Tommy 35% - Zero 65%



Ulti's Analysis

I'm not even going to dignify this with a response.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Zero/Zero with 58.44%



Cena’s Analysis

Tommy Vercetti is the most known video game character from the past two years. That's got to be fact, right there. GTA: Vice City was one of the best games for the PS2 and most casual gamers own it, and nearly all have played it somewhere. That's really the only thing going for Vercetti, though. Not a great character, hell, I'd barely call him bad ass. Zero, on the other hand, weilds a sword. And you don't ever see him dressed in a Hawaiian shirt while kicking the crap out of any robot masters, do you? No, didn't think so. Set and match. To be honest, I've never played a Mega Man game where I could be any character other than Mega Man. I don't know much about Zero, except he's obviously one of the coolest looking characters I've seen. And he has a sword. That's where it's at baby. But what if Vercetti's popularity with all the casual gamers is enough to take down Zero? I mean, let's say half the people who know Vercetti know who Zero is. What they still vote for their precious Tommy?

But don't forget that even when Vercetti was in top form, in his prime, he was doubled by Mega Man. We know Mega Man > Zero in mostly all ways, but this just proves Tommy isn't able to handle this match. So much for analysis. Numbers rock tonight.

Cena’s Vote: Zero

Cena’s Prediction: Zero with 58% (Might still be pretty close)

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Mega Man vs. Tidus - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Mega (38/40)

How come I see all these topics saying Mega Man is underperforming in this match? He's doing much better than he's supposed to, so...what?
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Mega Man vs. Tidus - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Mega (38/40)

Plus, Twin Snakes may not have beaten MMAC in sales by all that much, if at all, but it was bigger than MMAC at GameFAQS, from what I can tell. We shouldn't be writing Snake off entirely yet.

The Twin Snakes sold 170,000 copies while MMAC sold 252,000 copies at the end of July. If you don't recall, when the game was released there was a massive invasion of Mega Man both in the NES Top FAQs, the Top 10 FAQ list, and the GameCube/Playstation 2 Top 10 FAQ list.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I just hope you're right when it comes to Mega having enough strength to not get killed by Link, because it would be cool to see.

Not get killed? That's an absolute certainty based off today, and it'll be a win against Link. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Quick question: How do you guys calculate the extrapolated rankings?

Bah.

*whistles* Not so delusional am I? =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You guys are all putting way too much faith in individual character strength. Tidus is a strong character because he beat Shadow and came close to Ganondorf who came close to Magus. But that doesn't mean that in a one on one with Mega Man that he should have some super strength that gives him a certain amount of votes. All matches are relative. The only thing you can tell for sure is a characters strength in relation to another character he's played.
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How come I see all these topics saying Mega Man is underperforming in this match? He's doing much better than he's supposed to, so...what?

Because the general board is full of morons who underestimate Tidus. Even though he now has two things in his favor (close loss to GDorf, close win over Shadow), they still think MM should double him, and it's absurd.

Congrats to HM, by the way.
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Current Pick: Mega Man; Current Vote: Mega Man; Points: 37/40
Blue Bomber Forever!

Right, and it's been very accurate in many situations, and we can usually find reasons for when it's not.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

Thanks. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

If you don't recall, when the game was released there was a massive invasion of Mega Man both in the NES Top FAQs, the Top 10 FAQ list, and the GameCube/Playstation 2 Top 10 FAQ list.

I'll give you the NES Top FAQS, but in the Top 10 FAQS there was just one game. ONE GAME!! The GCN version was the only Megaman game to make the top 10 overall FAQS, IIRC. OMG! There's a Tales invasion in the Top 10 FAQS right now.

And in case you don't recall TTS was in the Top 10 FAQS longer than MMAC anyway.
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"I'm so sly."--Bowser

I'll give you the NES Top FAQS, but in the Top 10 FAQS there was just one game. ONE GAME!!

Yes, the GameCube version managed to sit at 2nd for a while and then going out a couple of weeks later. The PS2 version was around 16th I believe. And the "invasion" I spoke of was directed towards the NES Top FAQs all containing a Mega Man game.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Mega Man's still going up. Hit 65% Mega!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

*whistles* Not so delusional am I? =p

Heh, I'm still not convinced he can beat Link yet. I'm glad to know it looks like he'll at least put up a fight now. I was wrong about Mega Man and I admit that. Quite frankly, it doesn't bother me a bit because it's made this contest a lot more interesting.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The NES invasion, with how much use the NES FAQs get, isnt really saying all that much...its cool,, but not overly impressive.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Agreed. The contest made more interesting is always far better than a predictable one.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The NES invasion, with how much use the NES FAQs get, isnt really saying all that much...its cool,, but not overly impressive.

The FAQs in general are to be taken with a grain of salt. We've seen how worthless they can be, but I'm not the one to bring it up.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The FAQs in general are to be taken with a grain of salt. We've seen how worthless they can be, but I'm not the one to bring it up.

Except that you were the one to bring up the Megaman FAQ invasion, therefore you have contradicted yourself.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 39/42 Next Pick: Zero

Except that you were the one to bring up the Megaman FAQ invasion, therefore you have contradicted yourself.

Yesmar brought up FAQs and was wondering how they went when Mega Man Anniversary Collection was released. I did not bring that up for Mega Man's help nor do I use that in arguments because of how incredibly flawed it is. I simply said when it was released there was an "invasion" of Mega Man FAQs on the NES Top FAQs and of course on the PS2/GCN FAQs.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

We're at 59,000 votes right now. What's that on track to get for anyone, most notably Mumei, who can look it up real fast? I would, but yeah... <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

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I randomly picked a poll and got Cloud-Duke Nukem. It had 62,000 votes at this time. I expected more out of this match.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Looks like I was way off with Megaman, too.

*grumbles something about apologizing to HM*

No, seriously now. The non-Clinkeroth part of the Noble Nine all look like enraged hungry sharks this year.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

Heh. Now we have two people who are looking like they can seriously give Clinkeroth a go.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yep. I mean, Samus and Megaman could actually beat them, you've got Mario who made fodder look like fodder, Crono who got more SFF on Magus than Mario did on DK, Sonic murdering Terry to hell and back, and Snake rewriting the record books against Tanner.

The gap between the Noble Nine and the rest will be humongous in the unadjusted X-Sts at this rate.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

And despite Tidus getting beaten soundly today, he looks set to take that #10 spot. Anyone else who could seriously contend with him for it--Auron, Magus, Ganondorf, Zero--is going to get SFF'd.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Clinkeroth? WTF? O_o

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

It's the new and improved version of the "big three." Kinda catchy and fun to say, I think.

Might be changing it to Mega Clinkerothus at the end of the contest though.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Cloud + Link + Sephiroth = Clinkeroth.

Oh and not like it matters, but I noticed the day Square releases the 4 minute Advent Children trailer is the day he faces Auron. Won't change anything, I just found that humorous.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

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Yep. I mean, Samus and Megaman could actually beat them, you've got Mario who made fodder look like fodder, Crono who got more SFF on Magus than Mario did on DK, Sonic murdering Terry to hell and back, and Snake rewriting the record books against Tanner.

This just got me hyped up. Thanks.

The gap between the Noble Nine and the rest will be humongous in the unadjusted X-Sts at this rate.

I was just about to disagree, but then I remembered that Squall and Auron are facing Cloud and Sephiroth in the Sweet Sixteen. This makes me pose a question for us: outside of the Noble Nine, who will perform the best in the extrapolated? I'll answer this question...

...either Tidus, or the winner of Frog/Master Chief...and I'm thinkin' Master Chief's gonna do it, believe it or not.
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I did not bring up FAQS. I merely said "TTS was more popular than MMAC at GameFAQS." That encompasses boards, hype, and word of mouth as well as FAQS, not FAQS alone.
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"I'm so sly."--Bowser

If today's a fluke, then Ryu will definitely do it. I can see no one else. No Frog, no MC.

If not, Tidus. Then there's going to be Shadow, then far far behind, the rest of the pack led by Ryu.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 038/040 - Matches: 34/36 - Rank: 00123/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Zero

No, Master Chief won't even be close to the top 10. Unless Frog beats MC big time and gives Solid Snake a run for his money, Tidus has the 10 spot locked up.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Oh, and I like the sound of Mega Clinkerotharan, myself.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

Keep in mind the theory about Tidus possibly even increasing from last year because of FFX-2. If he actually did gain, at all, that makes this THAT much more impressive.


I think it's more likely that KH factor is wearing off, and we're starting to noticeably see the effects of tha. It did start earlier though, with Cloud and Seph underperforming against Duke and Sly, as well as Tidus underperforming against Shadow, considering mass Mario anti-votes.

Cloud's performance against Duke is adequately explained by the Milk'em picture, and it's hard to say that Sephiroth underperformed against Sly Cooper. The rankings would put him around CATS, which sounds realistic.

I wouldn't say that Tidus's performance is due to KHF wearing off. He was barely affected by it. Out of all the characters who had an increase last year, his was the smallest.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The Twin Snakes sold 170,000 copies while MMAC sold 252,000 copies at the end of July. If you don't recall, when the game was released there was a massive invasion of Mega Man both in the NES Top FAQs, the Top 10 FAQ list, and the GameCube/Playstation 2 Top 10 FAQ list.

Getting to the top of the NES FAQ list isn't really much of an achievement, and it doesn't change TTS being bigger on GFAQS than MMAC.

Mario disproved anti-votes against JC Denton, unless JC's fanbase is the size of Tanner's. I also don't see why people say that Kingdom Hearts is fading out; that just doesn't make sense to me, especially with how much it sold. I can see it happening to Tommy Vercetti in GTA:VC, but I can't see it happening to any character affected by KH last year.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

I think it's more likely that KH factor is wearing off,

Tidus didn't look like he gained any from KH last year. If he did it was very little and still wouldn't have Mega Man gaining nearly 10% from his projected margin of victory last year.

with Cloud and Seph underperforming against Duke and Sly,

Cloud's underperformance was extremely slight and Sephiroth didn't do anything to underperform to my knowledge.

as well as Tidus underperforming against Shadow, considering mass Mario anti-votes.

There are no "mass Mario anti-votes", and Tidus did not underperform.

Getting to the top of the NES FAQ list isn't really much of an achievement, and it doesn't change TTS being bigger on GFAQS than MMAC.

Of course not. Getting up on the Top FAQ list is never an achievement considering how every new, big, game will shoot up there. Obviously we've seen plenty of times that FAQs mean absolutely nothing in these contests.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Mario disproved anti-votes against JC Denton, unless JC's fanbase is the size of Tanner's.

Yes, Mario did underperform against JC, in my eyes. His strength should be similar to that of Guybrush, in my eyes. Main characters that are in great PC games that sell quite well and are several years old, but get no respect on GameFAQs. In fact, Guybrush should be stronger, considering how he's a large part of why people like Monkey Island. If it was, say, Samus or Snake in that matchup, they would probably get 90%+.

I don't see how Mario underperformed, myself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Mario did just fine against JC Denton, I thought.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Sephiroth didn't do anything to underperform to my knowledge.

Making Sly look better than Ratchet is underperforming, I'd say. I would seriously doubt that Ratchet could lose such a match.

I would see them being about equal, Sly and Ratchet.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Ratchet sucks, plain and simple. Dante broke 80% on him. That should tell you enough about how weak he is.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Nonetheless, it looks like the Noble Nine has separated itself from the rest of the pack. None of the would-be challengers from last year look to be a threat this year in the rankings due to obvious reasons (Magus, Ganondorf, Tidus, Shadow, Bowser). The only hopes now are for Auron and Squall to turn in good performances against Cloud and Sephiroth, then to have Cloud/Sephiroth DESTROY Sonic/Samus. Or to have Mega Man win.... <_<

In case you guys missed this... I wrote this earlier this morning since classes were cancelled because of Frances. It looks like there won't be anyone even CLOSE to the Noble Nine. No Magus to outrank Sonic this year. The only way someone can outrank Sonic is if someone blows out Samus or Samus blows out Sonic (or both). The way Mega Man is looking, Sonic might actually outrank Snake this year. The XRs will be interesting among the Noble nine, but after that, it will be pretty ugly. Someone said Ryu has a chance, but he's going directly against Sonic, so for him to catch Sonic, he'd have to BEAT him. I think there will be a significant gap....

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Yeah, I'm feeling more confident in Sonic getting 60% on Ryu now.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'm thinking Ryu will be able to put up a solid performance against Sonic.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Tidus underperformed against Shadow? Erm... the X-pos had Tidus losing that match, so I can't see what you could possibly be basing that on.

And theres no way CJay would shut the Contests down just because Cloud would win. And especially not if it were mixed up a little, with Link/Seph taking it. The only thing that would change his mind, IMO, would be if cheating became such a problem that he got sick of dealing with it. Which is why I kind of fear what having StarCraft, WarCraft III, and Diablo II involved in the Contest next Spring is going to do to things...

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I'm thinking Ryu will be able to put up a solid performance against Sonic.

Yep. We know. You've said that like 30,000 times. XD Heroic Mario could retire from the board and we wouldn't miss a beat because someone can just plug in what everyone knows he will say! j/k



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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Heh. Just trying to get my point in. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Nah, it looks like the Noble Nine has separated itself from the pack this year. I think even the adjusted stats will have Sonic above Magus this year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'm hoping Dante and Ryu can get in there, do well, and rank high.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You know what makes this so nice? I think I have the top pick in the Oracle Challenge. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

We're at 59,000 votes right now. What's that on track to get for anyone, most notably Mumei, who can look it up real fast? I would, but yeah... <<

Eh. Anyone can do it... Just go to http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1718 and change the poll number to whatever polls you want to check and compare them at different times. Compared to Tidus vs. Shadow at the same time (16:14:15):

Tidus vs. Shadow - 72,002
Tidus vs. Mega Man - 65,539

Bah. I had high hopes for this match, too. =(

Oh, and if anyone wants to know, the the Tidus vs. Shadow poll is 1727 and Tidus vs. MM is 1754.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Mega Man's showing today definitely matches, but doesn't quite surpass, Samus' performance against Lara. I was expecting him to get below 55%...>_>

Damn. One of them might actually win this thing. o_o
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

As far as next year's contest goes, unless this one proves to radically turn, like its shown that is at least has a chance off doing, there should be something different next year. Tag-team would be ok, but I don't know. Maybe moving the Spring contest to the summer, though much probably won't change there either, and just letting the summer contest take a break, i dunno something new and exciting would be nice.

and I think today so far is the most surprising result that could mean something. Samus/Lara and link/ganon mario/bowser crono/magus all have their reasons to overperform, though not samus/lara as much, but megaman/tidus doesnt' really have any sff or the like that would distort it.
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Oh, and I like the sound of Mega Clinkerotharan, myself

I'm still pushing for "Sephirmus Clinkman".
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 38/40
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Mega Man with 59.62%

Actually, since Mega Man and Samus haven't OFFICIALLY caught up with Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth, I think we should keep them separated.

I dub thee Megamus Clinkeroth!
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In the Cloud vs Duke Nukem match the vote total was at 68217, during this time, while Mega Man vs Tidus is at 66123. I suppose it isn't to well considering it's a bigger match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Megamus Clinkeroth!

I was thinking the same thing... But then I hit F5 and... well... You posted what I was thinking.
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although hm, the match isn't really close to be considered a close match to gain votes just based on that.
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Well, according to what Mumei has told me this match has caught up about 840 votes in the last hour (based on Tidus vs Shadow). Vote total should be pretty good.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

In the Cloud vs Duke Nukem match the vote total was at 68217, during this time, while Mega Man vs Tidus is at 66123. I suppose it isn't to well considering it's a bigger match.

I know I have told you this, but for everyone else:

At 16:14:15, Tidus vs. Shadow had 72,002 votes. The current match had 65,539 votes. So the former match had a 6,463 vote lead over this one.

At 17:44:07 (well :08 for the current match. Whatever =P), Tidus vs. Shadow had 77,865 votes. The current match had 72,614 votes. So the former match had a 5,251 vote lead over this one.

In about an hour and a half, the gap has gone down by 1,212. I'm not saying he's going to catch him, but it does look like it is possible at this point.
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Just to put some things in perspective. Last year Mega Man would have been projected to beat Mario with 50.54%. This year, if I did everything correctly, he'd be expected to get 61% against Mario.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Oh and by the way, where does this officially place Earthworm Jim in the extrapolated rankings?
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2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I don't think Mega could get that much on Mr. Nintendo...I'd say mid-50's.
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Mega Man vs. Tidus - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Mega (38/40)

Damn. One of them might actually win this thing. o_o

Although I would want it, but that's HIGHLY unlikely.. I am still keeping the big three up a few notches from the rest of the pack..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Also, in a match between Link and Mega Man it'd be projected to be a Link victory with 51.12% of the vote. Definitely something that could easily go the other way.

As for Earthworm Jim, it'd put him inbetween Crash Bandicoot and Max Payne in the 2003 X-sts. Assuming I did everything correctly in a Link vs Mega Man and Jim's placement.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I don't think Mega could get that much on Mr. Nintendo...I'd say mid-50's.

I could see a 61-39 match myself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Around Crash Bandicoot sounds about right to me. I think Jim has more in common with him than any other character in this contest.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Oh and by the way, where does this officially place Earthworm Jim in the extrapolated rankings?

*kicks door down*

I made a topic wondering this, and dammit, we're ready for answers.
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Also, in a match between Link and Mega Man it'd be projected to be a Link victory with 51.12% of the vote. Definitely something that could easily go the other way.

I would love to see a Megaman upset here but that's a really hard push for Megaman to pull 58.88% on Link.. I know the match will be close but I am not too sure if it will be that close..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I don't think Mega could get that much on Mr. Nintendo...I'd say mid-50's.

I could see a 61-39 match myself.

Gordon Freeman will win a match before that happens.
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SC2K4 Score: 39/42 Next Pick: Zero

Just to put some things in perspective. Last year Mega Man would have been projected to beat Mario with 50.54%. This year, if I did everything correctly, he'd be expected to get 61% against Mario

61% on Mario?? I don't know.. That does sound a little extreme.. I agree with Master Moltar on this one and say around mid 50's for Megaman vs. Mario..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

It certainly seems that the Noble Nine have distanced themselves from the rest of the pack, with Magus, Bowser and Ganondorf getting killed by SFF, Tidus (and Shadow) doing so poorly against Mega Man, Zero, Squall, and Auron likely to experience SFF, and Aeris' absence. Not to mention the dominating performances of Samus and Mega Man and good numbers put up by Snake, Mario, Crono, and Sonic. Looks like we have a Noble Nine again (bye, Super Seven) and it looks like they will easily crack 40% on Clinkeroth and may even hit 45% or higher. Even the lowest one (Sonic) will probably manage to go past 35% and approach 40%. The gap between Clinkeroth and the rest appears to be dwindling, while the gap between the Noble Nine and the contenders widens. Odd thing to happen, really.
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Current Pick: Mega Man; Current Vote: Mega Man; Points: 37/40
Blue Bomber Forever!

Zelda > Teedus?

Such would be awesome.
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SC2K4 Score: 39/42 Next Pick: Zero

At 18:25, the gap is at 4,903. Well at least I'm sure it will hit 90,000 now. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It will be interesting to see how well these Characters bold against the Big Three.. We might be expecting too much from these characters..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Well, at 2002 levels, Mega Man would've been expected to exceed 60% on Tidus. I thought as we reached higher vote totals, the percentage would decrease and look more like 2003 stats, but I guess not.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Next year intrigues me already; MP2:Echoes, Halo 2, FF:AC, the next LoZ, MGS3...next year will be THE year of the toss-up.
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Of those, which would you think has the biggest potential to boost a character?
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Halo 2, believe it or not. Master Chief has the most room to improve, and I think it's easier to increase when there are fewer games to your name.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Zelda 10. Not that Link needs a boost.
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Current Pick: Mega Man; Current Vote: Mega Man; Points: 37/40
Blue Bomber Forever!

I would love to see a Megaman upset here but that's a really hard push for Megaman to pull 58.88% on Link..

To pull 58.88% on Link? What?

I know the match will be close but I am not too sure if it will be that close..

According to what I did of last year, and assuming Link hasn't gone up, it would be projected to be that close. Either way, it's so close that Mega Man can easily take it into his favor.

Gordon Freeman will win a match before that happens.

Yeah... right...

61% on Mario?? I don't know.. That does sound a little extreme.. I agree with Master Moltar on this one and say around mid 50's for Megaman vs. Mario..

Why does that sound so extreme for someone who is on Link's level?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think LoZ. That one will sell move quite a few systems. I expect it to outsell WW by a bit as well.
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Summer Contest Match 33 Mega Man vs. Tidus
Status 34/37 Points: 039 Next: Zero vs. Tommy Vercetti

The next LoZ isn't guaranteed to release by the time we have this contest. The first real projection is June 2005 and that's without any delays into the holiday season. I wouldn't be so sure to count that one in.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Either Halo 2 or MGS3, if ya ask me. Master Chief WILL be a force to be reckoned with next year, and could possibly be Elite Eight material in a real fortunate bracket. Solid Snake can make the Final Four next year, with a lil' luck.

I think Link and Samus will be the two to decide from though when it comes to champions next year, however, especially if the next LoZ comes out in June like I've heard.
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Well, fine. Zelda 10, with the caveat that it's released on time.
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Current Pick: Mega Man; Current Vote: Mega Man; Points: 37/40
Blue Bomber Forever!

I expect it to outsell WW by a bit as well.

I'd consider it a failure if it didn't, to be honest. TWW was released when there were only about 6 million GCNs sold worldwide and still has managed to hit around 3.3 million. Over 15 million have been sold by now, and it'll be more by the time that Zelda X is released.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm actually leaning toward going with Cloud next year myself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Oh and you can't forget about Dante and his ability to increase despite how well received, nor lack of, his games are. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Heroic Mario leaning toward a Square character over a Nintendo or Capcom character? That alone tells you that Advent Children is going to own that much.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Indeed.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

That alone tells you that Advent Children is going to own that much.

I highly agree.. Even though I still think Cloud will also win this year too..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Meh, I called it long ago...

From: Haste2 | Posted: 7/31/2004 7:01:46 AM | Message Detail
The contest is finally nearing, and I'm starting to have a feeling that it won't be the predictable contest we're anticipating...

But, wow, 65% against Tidus? Not stunning like Cloud's 66% over the legendary Sonic, but at the very LEAST, we can safely assume Mega Man is a lock for the division.

It probably is more of Mega Man's strength than anything, but I sometimes wonder if Tidus was overrated in the rankings last year...I mean, think about it: Sam Fisher did well against Magus, but nearly lost to Gordon Freeman. Thus, Magus doesn't look great, plus Crono tore him apart this year. Ganondorf underperformed against Alucard by 3 percentage points, and then got septupled by Link.


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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Sam/Gordon: *shrugs* Couldn't tell ya.
Magus/Crono: SFF
Link/Ganon: SFF
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Snake with a picture that is actually different? Amazing!

http://gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b40.jpg

The wonderous MGS3.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

http://gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b38.jpg
http://gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b39.jpg
http://gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b40.jpg

Zero-Vercetti is meh.
Frog-Master Chief is cool, but nothing spectacular.
Knuckles-Snake just flat-out owns.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Tommy looks....plain and Zero is alright...geezem, nothing will make that match interesting to me.

Seen the Frog pic a million times, and MC has a close-up. I like MC's close-ups better than his full body pics.

Knux/Snake is my favorite. Very cool Knuckles pic, and Snake looks awesome.
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Mega Man vs. Tidus - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Mega (38/40)

I love that Frog picture though. I don't think there's much more you can do with him for an up close picture. Next round though, Frog sprite... that'll own. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Who said that Frog'll make it past MC?
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Yes, I love Frog's sprite.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Of course Frog will make it past Master Chief.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It'll be interesting to see what sonic gets on ryu. If he could get 55-60% it would really solidify the noble nine's increasing gap fromt he rest of the pack (especially because the SFF this year basically wiped out all hope of a decent challenge from any1).
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Makin' it sound like it's a given, HM; how close ya thinkin' it'll be?
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Around 52-53% for Frog.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'd love for Ryu to make it as close as 53-47 or at the very least 55-45.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

For my bracket, I hope you're right, but for sanity in this world, I hope you're wrong. =P
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Nah, I'm getting increasingly more confident in a 60%+ victory for Sonic. Besides, I at least want to feel like he stands a chance against Samus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Frog kicks some ass. =p Without a win by him, it'd be a sad day.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Frog with 54% for me. GO FROG!
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"Meche" ..."Your name sounds like something Nena would say in "99 Luftballoons" Supporter of Samus in SC2k4!

If he's using MGS3 for Snake's picture, does this mean that it's actually Solid Snake in MGS3???? Ceej apparently has the insider information.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I wonder how many people went with Vercetti? I'd love for there to be a good bunch of them. In fact, I'd love some 20 to fall today.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Frog > all characters in this contest.

And he his character design is 10 times better than Cloud's.
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Summer Contest Match 33 Mario vs Bowser
Status 33/36 Points: 037 Next: Mega Man vs. Tidus

Holy ****.. *just saw the Knux pic*, that picture just flat out OWNS...

As for Frog vs. Master Chief... I wouldn't really call it an upset if MC does win though.. This match might turn out to be a dud for either sides..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I know one perfect bracket admitted to picking Vercetti tomorrow, so that's at least one more.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Tidus underperformed against Shadow? Erm... the X-pos had Tidus losing that match, so I can't see what you could possibly be basing that on.

X-pos? what's that supposed be short for? Trying to say that the standings are pieces of ****?

I was taking Shadow's overperformance against Mario into account, which the stats don't. The stats don't take anything into account.

Mega Man's showing today definitely matches, but doesn't quite surpass, Samus' performance against Lara. I was expecting him to get below 55%

Not really. He's still expected to lose to Link. She's expected to almost double him.

I think Link and Samus will be the two to decide from though when it comes to champions next year, however, especially if the next LoZ comes out in June like I've heard.


Indeed, having anyone other than Link or Samus as your winner would be quite foolish for that contest, almost as foolish as having Mega Man as the winner of this one.

From the looks of it I think we'll be cracking 90,000 on this match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the 40-35 brackets took vercetti. Especially if they're mainstream PS2 players.
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Summer Contest Match 33 Mario vs Bowser
Status 33/36 Points: 037 Next: Mega Man vs. Tidus

almost as foolish as having Mega Man as the winner of this one.

Hah. I can't wait for Link vs Mega Man. Can't wait.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

What about Cloud for next year?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And I cannot fathom why it would be foolish to take Cloud.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

What would clinch it for Cloud is if AC came with PSP. You know that won't happen though. I think it'll be close between Cloud, Seph, Link, and Samus.
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Summer Contest Match 33 Mario vs Bowser
Status 33/36 Points: 037 Next: Mega Man vs. Tidus

What would clinch it for Cloud is if AC came with PSP. You know that won't happen though.

It's launching with the PSP.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Indeed, having anyone other than Link or Samus as your winner would be quite foolish for that contest, almost as foolish as having Mega Man as the winner of this one.

Um.. just flat out NO .. Samus will not be a contender for the championship next year.. It's not likely.. The big three will still stand as the "big three" ... If Samus vs. Megaman matchup is next year, I will still pick Megaman to come out on top..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I still have trouble visualizing Samus stronger than Mario.
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Current Pick: Mega Man; Current Vote: Mega Man; Points: 37/40
Blue Bomber Forever!

Toss Solid Snake in there, and you got yourself a hellacious battle to see who makes the Final Four...assuming Solid Snake's in MGS3, of course.
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And where's Mega Man in that list. He may not have something huge coming out, but stuff nonetheless. Picking him again wouldn't be that bad of an idea considering how close he'd keep it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Only if Mega Man wins this year. If he can't do it this year, I couldn't imagine him getting it done next year with all his competition's got going for them.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'll agree with that much.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And where's Mega Man in that list. He may not have something huge coming out, but stuff nonetheless. Picking him again wouldn't be that bad of an idea considering how close he'd keep it.

I agree.. For next year, I still think the strength of these characters will still remain Link=Cloud > Sephiroth > Megaman > All..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Um.. just flat out NO .. Samus will not be a contender for the championship next year.. It's not likely.. The big three will still stand as the "big three" ... If Samus vs. Megaman matchup is next year, I will still pick Megaman to come out on top..

Samus is already lookin' to be a surprise contender for THIS year, what makes you think she wouldn't have a chance at it next year?
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I see Solid Snake still at least in the best...still...
I have faith!! But he has to crush Knuckles...I think he can.
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"Meche" ..."Your name sounds like something Nena would say in "99 Luftballoons" Supporter of Samus in SC2k4!

Samus is already lookin' to be a surprise contender for THIS year, what makes you think she wouldn't have a chance at it next year?

Let's just see how well she will bold against Cloud this year..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I agree.. For next year, I still think the strength of these characters will still remain Link=Cloud > Sephiroth > Megaman > All..

I don't see it remaining that way at all. I'm fully expecting two new entrants to come into that equation and you already have one of them. I see the "Big 3" expanding out to about five.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Only if Mega Man wins this year. If he can't do it this year, I couldn't imagine him getting it done next year with all his competition's got going for them.

Agreed. Mega Man will still pack some heat though, no question.
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I don't see it remaining that way at all. I'm fully expecting two new entrants to come into that equation and you already have one of them. I see the "Big 3" expanding out to about five.

I am sure they will get stronger but I can't see anyone one of them taking Cloud, Link, or Sephiroth down.. As much as I want to see an upset, it will probably not happen.. But the match will be closer nonetheless..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I just can't imagine those three constantly dominating. There's only so long you can keep it up...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well, fine. Zelda 10, with the caveat that it's released on time.

Actually, the realistic Zelda is going to be Zelda 11...Minish Cap is being released in January.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I just can't imagine those three constantly dominating. There's only so long you can keep it up...

Well.. this is "gamefaqs" afterall where Link just flat out owns and FFVII is redeem as "god"..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Mark the calendar. Mega Man and Samus aren't going down easy, not easy at all. And the former won't lose one match. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'll jump in and congratulate HM for his wisdom/wishful thinking/sheer dumb luck =P

Now...numbers crunching!
I'm surprised nobody did this already, but here are the current extrapolated standings for interesting contestants. Values are in constant 2k2/2k3 Link; the character within the [] is the character on whom the extrapolation is based on. Mega Man is considered at its current point (64.64%/35.36%)

Samus [Lara Croft 2k3] 64.88%
Link [CATS 2k3] 55.55%
Mega Man [Shadow 2k3] 49.27%
Mega Man [Tidus 2k3] 48.43%
Mario [Bowser 2k3] 47.38% {Including SFF}
Cloud [Duke Nukem 2k3] 46.59%
Crono [Conker 2k3] 41.21%
Ryu [KOS-MOS 2k3] 30.31%
Sonic [Terry Bogard 2k2] 24.32%

Sephiroth ?????
Solid Snake ?????

Score needed by Samus to tie with Link's 55.55%:
based on Sam Fisher 2k3: 78.78%
based on Gordon Freeman 2k3: 83.99%

What comes out of this? Crono seems much lower than everyone seems to think; Ryu would be the favorite against Sonic (and by a mile); Samus is in her own tier by a few miles!; Mega Man is still some distance behind Link but stands in 3rd nonetheless.
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16156012

Question.. How would guys predict the percentage would split in a Cloud vs. Samus, or Sephiroth vs. Samus matchup?? I would have also asked for Link vs. Samus too but that might have SFF in it..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Score needed by Samus to tie with Link's 55.55%
That refers to her score against Sam Fisher next round, as you probably guessed.
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16156012

I'll jump in and congratulate HM for his wisdom/wishful thinking/sheer dumb luck =P

I think I'll win the Oracle Challenge too. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Today's match that is.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think I'll win the Oracle Challenge too. =p

But not by much (Mega Man needs to stay under 64.68% for you to win)
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16156012

Hah. I can't wait for Link vs Mega Man. Can't wait.

Neither can I. Unless, of course, Snake beats Mega Man. That would be quite amusing indeed. 2004 is the Year of the Snake!

And I cannot fathom why it would be foolish to take Cloud.

Because pretty much the only people who buy AC will already like Cloud. Or is he in KH2 or CoM?

I still have trouble visualizing Samus stronger than Mario.

If they had had a match this year or the last, I would've picked Samus to win. Mario's got nowhere to go but down, really, I doubt that even SM128 will help him out all that much.

And where's Mega Man in that list. He may not have something huge coming out, but stuff nonetheless. Picking him again wouldn't be that bad of an idea considering how close he'd keep it.

I didn't put him on the list because everyone else is getting stronger, and he's not, especially considering the mediocre reception that Command Mission's been getting.

Terry Bogard was affected by DK/Mario SFF, though. As much as I dislike Sonic, you need to take that into account.
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Current Pick: Mega Man; Current Vote: Mega Man; Points: 37/40
Blue Bomber Forever!

Cloud has been confirmed for Chain of Memories, but not Kingdom Hearts II.
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2nd Round: (5)Kirby

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Neither can I. Unless, of course, Snake beats Mega Man. That would be quite amusing indeed. 2004 is the Year of the Snake!

A shame it shall not happen nor would it be amusing.

Because pretty much the only people who buy AC will already like Cloud. Or is he in KH2 or CoM?

He's in CoM and I'm not sure on KH2. I like Cloud, but not enough to vote for him over Link this year. Next year, however... plus the possibility of it getting a theatrical release, and mass marketing either way. So, yeah this isn't just going to be a thing to appeal solely to fans of Cloud already.

I didn't put him on the list because everyone else is getting stronger, and he's not, especially considering the mediocre reception that Command Mission's been getting.

I'd like to hear the "mediocre reception" MMX:CM is getting. Besides, he does have Mega Man X8 scheduled for November 23rd and that's what I was really aiming at.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Crono at 41% is still 3% higher than his 2k3 standing, and Mario is obviously overinflated due to SFF. Samus remains pretty much inexplicable, though.
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Current Pick: Mega Man; Current Vote: Mega Man; Points: 37/40
Blue Bomber Forever!

I am sure they will get stronger but I can't see anyone one of them taking Cloud, Link, or Sephiroth down.. As much as I want to see an upset, it will probably not happen.. But the match will be closer nonetheless..

"No one can possibly beat Link. Look at last year...Sephiroth came 2nd in the extrapolated standings, and even he only got 43%! Link. Is. Invincible."
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

But not by much (Mega Man needs to stay under 64.68% for you to win)

That's looking pretty good right now, but is that based on Rodri's prediction?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

That's looking pretty good right now, but is that based on Rodri's prediction? yup
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16156012

*tag*
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I cannot see Link being beaten next year if his new game comes out before the contest.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 34/38 Next Pick: Mario

yup

1:48:XX AM.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'd like to hear the "mediocre reception" MMX:CM is getting.

Last I heard, reviews in Japan were pretty average, IGN's impressions were far from positive, and sales in Japan were downright negative.

btw, is AC going to be subbed or dubbed in America? If dubbed, who's doing the voices?

1:48:XX AM.
A full 12 minutes before the deadline ;)
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16156012

If Zelda X is about OoT-level (in terms of reception/hype) and presents him as being a badass, which TWW just didn't do, in my opinion, I think it would be far more likely to help him.

By the way, does anyone know how long they've been working on Zelda X? They first showed it at E3, and the video they showed was of someone playing a version of the game and then cutting it into a video. So does anyone know about when they started on it?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

A full 12 minutes before the deadline ;)

Oh so we don't have to do it a full hour before the match starts? That's good to know.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Last I heard, reviews in Japan were pretty average, IGN's impressions were far from positive, and sales in Japan were downright negative.

I didn't read anything that was really that negative from IGN's impressions. Certainly nothing that pointed out how the game would be mediocre.

btw, is AC going to be subbed or dubbed in America? If dubbed, who's doing the voices?

On the DVD you'll have both, but yes it'll be dubbed. Nothing set on who's doing the American voiceovers.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'm going to die if it has crappy voice acting. =(
Bah.. I like subbed better anyway....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Heh, imagine if Square decides to use the Kingdom Hearts voice cast again. Lance Bass does a repeat performance of Sephiroth.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Er... I've never played KH. Did he do a good Sephiroth?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh so we don't have to do it a full hour before the match starts? That's good to know.

Deadline is 2am eastern time, matches start at 3am. Or have the poll changed lately? Beacuse that's the way it was at the beginning of the contest...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16156012

I thought he did well. His voice actually fits the character, but I can imagine the FFVII fanboys exploding upon hearing the news that the *N Sync guy will once again be lending his voice talents to Sephiroth.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

haha yes to lance, and still even with a movie theater release, I just don't see that many non ff7 fans going to see it. It really depends on how they market it, but it seems like you needed to have played ff7 to get it, so even if it had a great marketing campaign, it could still flop in theaters, after maybe a strong weekend debut.
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

I dub thee Megamus Clinkeroth!

That's a great name. Megamus sounds like a Transformer, and Clinkeroth is still awesome. =)
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 38/40
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Mega Man with 59.62%

King Morgoth, what does Samus need to score if we assume that it was Gordon who went unchanged as opposed to Sam?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

If Samus nor Gordon changed, but Fisher changed accordingly, then Samus would be expected to win with 76.45%. If Samus this year = Cloud of 2003, Gordon stayed the same, and Fisher changed, Samus would be expected to win with 82.78%.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Heh, imagine if Square decides to use the Kingdom Hearts voice cast again. Lance Bass does a repeat performance of Sephiroth.

I'd be happy if they bring back Mandy Moore for Aerith.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 38/40
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Mega Man with 59.62%

I got confused, haste2, when KM posted this:

"Score needed by Samus to tie with Link's 55.55%
That refers to her score against Sam Fisher next round, as you probably guessed."

I thought he was trying to say she needed that 55% to tie with Link.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

just a random though, will Nintendo ever go online like the xbox and the ps2 has? they have such great opportunites, and its a shame that they haven't done more, anyone heard anything about it?
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Of course they will. It won't recieve as much as support, but Nintendo likes to have people play together. It's a lot more fun with your friends right there, and so they try to get that experience more.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Here it comes...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Will Vercetti get the day vote? I'm not surprised he's close to 40-60 right now so maybe it'll end up close to there. I'm not sure though. Maybe 37-63 is a safer estimate.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Only 4 dropped off the top 50... curses. Still anywhere from 1-65 to go...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Vercetti = dead.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Score-Brackets-% Right
40----8--------100.0000000
39----114------93.8596491
38----323------88.8544892
37----644------85.0931677
36----1298-----77.2727273
35----2076-----76.0597303
34----2981-----72.6601811
33----3531-----71.1979609
32----3956-----72.8766431
31----3778-----71.2811011
30----3588-----69.4258640
29----2887-----68.6179425
28----2317-----67.1989642
27----1722-----66.7828107
26----1207-----65.9486330
25----838------60.3818616
24----594------60.6060606
23----430------59.5348837
22----261------55.5555556
21----175------57.1428571
20----129------52.7131783
19----75-------62.6666667
18----52-------51.9230769
17----25-------40.0000000
16----16-------56.2500000
15----16-------56.2500000
14----11-------18.1818182

Nobody with a score of 13 or less got the match correct. The perfects and near perfects did well on this match with the perfects all remaining perfect.

Four people in the Top 50 got the match wrong. Seaman9999, MasonTwo, twofacednewt111 and XGreatKing had Tidus beating Megaman.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

My bad, 1-72... ugh, even worse. Zero better not have more than 50% correctly picking him.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

70.14% had Mega winning this one, showing once more that no matter how strong the Blue Bomber is, he'll always be considered the weak link in the Noble Nine to the average bracket. Coincidentally, 70.14% is the exact percentage that thought that Tidus' pal Auron would beat Scorpion in Round 1.
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

"he'll always be considered the weak link in the Noble Nine to the average bracket."

Thank god for all the free points, too.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Doma: I concur generally in that I don't think he's among the top 3... but he's definitely not the weakest chain as first round statisitics show otherwise...
Your noble nine from Round 1 and their seeds
1 Link 98.79%
3 Crono 93.43%
2 Mario 98.28%
1 Mega Man 97.47%
2 Solid Snake 97.27%
1 Cloud Strife 97.97%
2 Sephiroth 97.37%
1 Sonic the Hedgehog 97.47%
2 Samus Aran 91.74%

Clearly, he is by no means the weakest link, sandwiched right in the direct middle of things. With only Link, Cloud, and Mario above him he's right in the middle of the pack.

If anything, the numbers show that Samus and Crono are the weakest links, though Crono is understandable with his 3 seed, and Samus with an underseeded Lara, but if you can make that case for Samus, looking at the Round 2 Matchups shows you that so far, only the Blue Bomber has a non-SFFed to death matchup.

Sure, MM has the lowest numbers:
Link 96.07%
Crono 78.5%
Mario 92.85%
Mega Man 70.14%

But he didnt have to deal with either SFF or fear of FF overpopularity.

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"and Samus with an underseeded Lara"

She didn't look underseeded to me.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Could the widening split between the noble nine and the rest of the field be due to an increase in bracket voting? Anyone who pays attention now knows that the noble nine will win in the early rounds, so prediction percentages may be getting better (but I can't verify this). It's easy to bracket vote even if you're not thinking about it consciously... it's pretty easy to go from "I picked Samus" to "I want Samus to win" to "I like Samus better", especially if you have no strong opinion on the match.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 40/42
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Zero with 62.38%

You guys know what i remember from last year?

"OMG This is the Blue Bombers year! Sephiroth is going down! Yay!"

Then, WHAM!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1366

-_-

Honestly guys. Don't get your hopes up.
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Chichi: I'd like to think that Samus was just overly impressive =)...

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ive always wanted to post in this topic
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All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu. That is my belief! That is my theory...at least for now.
Belthasar from Chrono Trigger.

Deadline is 2am eastern time, matches start at 3am. Or have the poll changed lately? Beacuse that's the way it was at the beginning of the contest...

I'm in central time.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I can't believe over a quarter of all brackets picked Mega Man to lose yesterday.
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Jon Thomson - today: Zero, tomorrow: Frog - 34/42
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Hm. Zero's doing okay, considering the day vote isn't in yet. I guess we can conclude one thing though, whatever boost Megaman got, Zero didn't have. Since Zero wasn't in MMAC... you see where I'm going with this.

But... 70%? Over a quarter of the brackets had him losing to Tidus or Shadow? Well, considering Tidus was probably the bracket favorite to reach the Sweet 16 last year over Ganondorf and Magus...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 040/042 - Matches: 35/37 - Rank: 00116/33221 - Today: Zero - Tomorrow: Frog

Wll I moved up 4 spots on the top 50 so I'm happy, I just can't see how Mega Man winning was so hard to get. I think Master Chief winning is gonna screw up the top 50
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Current SC2K4 Score: 41/42
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Frog winning will do that too, I think. You know how less than half of the brackets picked him to beat Liquid?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 040/042 - Matches: 35/37 - Rank: 00116/33221 - Today: Zero - Tomorrow: Frog

Yeah, but I'd imagine most people in the upper tier of points have Frog. Regardless of his overall lower bracket support.

So while MC is probably in more total brackets, him winning would shake up the higher standings more so than Frog winning.
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analysis on tomorrows match.

Since I'm not that worried about Ryu.H winning, this will be the match to decide if many people will have a perfect second round on this board. Before the contest this match seemed locked. Frog seemed to win this one considering to this board. But hey, remember what happened to VJ? Many thought this was an easy one too. So the new characters don't seem to be that strong after all.

Now let's see, what factors before the contest started favored Frog that much? Well, of course Crono Trigger who was in the finals of the spring contest. And the board hype, which just made you think (just like VJ) he did even have a chance against solid snake. And Frog's opponents where liquid snake (who most thought would be pretty weak), and Master Chief (who has the anti-Xbox factor).

Then frog had his first match, and what happened? 50.05% win over liquid snake. What does this say about them both? Well Liquid Snake is probably pretty strong. Many people just vote Snake, and don't care what Snake. And Frog didn't seem that strong now after all. Chances of beating Solid Snake are reduces to 0%.

Frog's second round, was master chief. This seemed to be easier then Snake. But then the next day, MC got a very good performance against Crash. 70% against a not that weak character is pretty good. From then on, all factors coming favored MC. Halo 2 coming out. X-box hate reducing, because people realised X-box has its good sides too. And today, the picture came up. And I have to say, this heavily favors MC. Frog just looks odd, while MC is even more recognisable since he is on the box of the game too.

Frog is still favorite but MC will almost sure make this a close match.

My prediction: Frog with 50.80%
My feeling: Master Chief with 51%
My bracket: FROG!
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44/44 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Frog

ps2rulezzz, that's exactly my stance. Props for logic.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

Let's just hope for our brackets, and top 50 places Frog wins.
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44/44 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Frog

My analysis:

I honestly believe that we are not underestimating Frog, but we underestimated Liquid. PS2 was very correct in saying that people will vote Snake no matter what form of matter. n fact I am willing to bet that quite a few people that had not played MGS thought he was the same thing as Solid Snake.

Master Chief went up against Crash and though he did get 70%, you also have to ask yourself if you ever actually liked a Crash game. I did not play any of the 57 games for more than 20 minutes because they seemed so pointless. Whereas with Halo, yes people do hate it, but there are also those online who like it and the eleven Xbox fans that like it. This is what made the results between these two so staggering.

Solid would beat MC 65-35 at least, and I honestly believe Liwuid would beat MC 55-45. Therefore Frog will win about 52-48.........I hope.
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Rd 1: 30/32 -Rd 2: 5/6---Score: 40/44-Next Pick: Frog

you mean overestimate frog?
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44/44 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Frog

Should be interesting none the less, but for me staying on the top 50, Frog is gonna have to pull it off.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 41/42
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

beh now im confused, i just woke up and have no idea what I'm saying. Well GO FROG!
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Rd 1: 30/32 -Rd 2: 5/6---Score: 40/44-Next Pick: Frog

It doesn't look like Vercetti has lost as much strength as we thought. I guess that goes with my whole fodder fluctuation idea. I figured Max Payne probably overperformed as opposed to the latter, especially when I saw what Gordon did against Sam Fisher.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Kiddies...it is Frog's destiny to make the Sweet 16 and vanquish Snake in the upset of the year...

Master Chief is a bump in the road...and he will fall by more than 1 vote...a safe prediction. A win is a win :)

About 380 or so ahead of me...but I think this will fall to around 275...too many Tommy Gunners out there :)
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Perfects to Fall: 8 SC2K4: 41/44 (Go FROG!)

Master Chief went up against Crash and though he did get 70%, you also have to ask yourself if you ever actually liked a Crash game. I did not play any of the 57 games for more than 20 minutes because they seemed so pointless. Whereas with Halo, yes people do hate it, but there are also those online who like it and the eleven Xbox fans that like it. This is what made the results between these two so staggering.

Master Chief went up against Aeris and though he did get 40%, you also have to ask yourself if you ever actually liked a Final Fantasy game.....

MC's done more respectable than people like to give credit for, and I'm beginning to think that Master Chief is much like Tidus when it comes to that. I promise nothing tomorrow, but I truly think that alot of people's heads will turn when Master Chief comes ready to play; he's got a very real shot, and I personally think he'll win. Hell, even though it goes against my bracket and would take me out of the Top Fifty, I wouldn't mind if he did and will probably vote for him.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

Yikes. There it is again with only 70% having Mega Man move on against Tidus/Shadow. Amazing how they could continue to underestimate him.

For today, it looks like Zero should manage to at least break even with what he's expected to get. Obviously Vercetti doesn't look like he went down any.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And I hope the trend continues with a lot picking Vercetti to win today's match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

So do I...
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A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

this goes to show how boring these past few matches really have been. Crono vs. Magus and Mario vs. Bowser didn't make any of the lists. and Megaman vs. Tidus made it on only one list.


Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.80% - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
3) 75.66% - Link over CATS
4) 72.74% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
5) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
6) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
7) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
8) 64.78% - Samus Aran over Lara Croft
9) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight
10) 61.68% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 66655 - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
3) 65362 - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
4) 62319 - Link over CATS
5) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
6) 54178 - Samus Aran over Lara Croft
7) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
8) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
9) 49299 - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
10) 49079 - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.04% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
2) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
3) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
4) 8.96% - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
5) 9.60% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
6) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
7) 10.86% - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman
8) 12.94% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
9) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard
10) 14.92% - Knuckles over Kefka

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 27 - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
2) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
3) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
4) 6769 - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
5) 7397 - Ness over Jak
6) 7673 - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
7) 8163 - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman
8) 11105 - Vivi over Donkey Kong
9) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka
10) 12533 - Ganondorf over Alucard

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
3) 89848 - Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
4) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
5) 88102 - (ii) Megaman vs. Tidus
6) 87935 - (ii) Link vs. Ganondorf
7) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
8) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
9) 85781 - Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
10) 84625 - Megaman vs. Earthworm Jim

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70413 - Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
3) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
4) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
5) 74039 - Dante vs. Ratchet
6) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
7) 75219 - Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman
8) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
9) 75533 - (ii) Luigi vs. Yoshi
10) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 77605 - Sephiroth
2) 77295 - (ii) Link
3) 74251 - Solid Snake
4) 72344 - Link
5) 71329 - Cloud
6) 70219 - Megaman
7) 68889 - Samus Aran
8) 65184 - Mario
9) 64615 - Sonic the Hedgehog
10) 62375 - Crono

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 10640 - (ii) Ganondorf
4) 12243 - Sly Cooper
5) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
6) 12847 - J.C. Denton
7) 13367 - Luca Blight
8) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
9) 14602 - Ratchet
10) 14721 - Lara Croft

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 43820 - Liquid Snake
3) 37512 - Alucard
4) 37338 - Donkey Kong
5) 36102 - Viewtiful Joe
6) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
7) 35193 - Jill Valentine
8) 34382 - (ii) Luigi
9) 33528 - Gordon Freeman
10) 32733 - Jak

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 35220 - Ryu Hayabusa
2) 40130 - Ness
3) 41151 - (ii) Yoshi
4) 41440 - Vyse
5) 41691 - Sam Fisher
6) 43775 - Tails
7) 43913 - Frog
8) 47578 - Knuckles
9) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti
10) 48334 - Tidus

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 97.47% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
6) 97.37% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
7) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
8) 96.07% - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
9) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
10) 93.43% - Crono over Conker

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
2) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
3) 43.86% - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
4) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
5) 46.30% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
6) 48.56% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
7) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
8) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard
9) 65.22% - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman
10) 66.71% - Vyse over Laharl

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Hmmm.... I hoped Zero would have performed better. I thought he would be at least a THREAT to Mega Man, SFF aside, but Vercetti is holding his own against Zero. Looks like he'll bow out with some respectability, but I don't know whether or not he'll be back with GTA:San Andreas on the horizon. This may be Tommy's last stand. Let's all make a tribute to Tommy by getting laid.... *salutes* Well, I can't speak for everyone on this board..... <_<
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

and for the record, i've said for about the last twenty or so topics that Frog will be the biggest flop of this contest. although, now i think he'd have to get beat pretty bad to take that title away from Viewtiful Joe; well, at least get beat worse than 55/45. i'm really hoping this will be a really close match, though, seeing how we don't have another questionable match for at least a week.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Only 70% of brackets had Mega Man beating Tidus?

Geez, people are underestimating him again...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

It's more of a case of the overestimation of Tidus and Shadow. Look at the quality of competition Mega Man had to deal with in round 2 as opposed to his counterparts, who clearly had an advantage over characters from their own games, even among the casual bracketeers.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Maybe they'd stop underestimating him if he managed to take down Clinkeroth... =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Personally, I would've been shocked to see Mega Man with 80% or better in prediction percentage considering who he faced. 70% sounds right to me.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

If I would make my bracket, before ever coming to this site, I would choose Tidus. Just like I would chose a Mario-Sonic final. Those are most popular by casual players.
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44/44 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Frog

Nah, I think it's more of an underestimating of Liquid Snake. If the voters on this site know who Magus is, then they will know who Frog is. I believe that Liquid Snake draws a LOT of his votes from Solid Snake, and it's legit. If that's not enough to take Frog down, then I don't think Master Chief has enough to do it as well. Liquid is WAY more well known than Master Chief.

He won't get the same non-US support that Ryu Hayabusa got. If Jill got so much support during non-US peak voting hours, don't you think Frog would gain that same support, if not even more? And where does Jill rank in the standings? Right under Tommy Vercetti and Master Chief. Yep, Tommy Vercetti, the same one you see today. Master Chief is comparable to Tommy, just with WAY more upside. Tommy is from one of the highest selling games on PS2. Master Chief is from one of the highest selling games on X-Box. Master Chief may improve, but as of now, his character shouldn't be much more popular than Tommy.

Now, let's look at Frog. He is from a game, Chrono Trigger, that is the runner up from the Spring2k4 competition, losing to Final Fantasy VII. Aeris is the third most popular character that made it to this contest from FFVII and she beat Master Chief 60/40. FROG is the third most popular character from Chrono Trigger. See any resemblence? And I think Frog would be closer to Crono/Magus then Aeris is to Cloud/Sephiroth. Even if Chrono Trigger is less popular than FFVII, I don't see Master Chief making up the gap between Aeris's 60/40 victory. And there's one thing that people haven't mentioned about the Spring2k4 contest. Don't you think there may be just a little SFF between Chrono Trigger and FFVII?

Master Chief may have the potential, but there are more things that go in Frog's favor than people are taking notice of.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

...People may know of Frog....

But do they like him?

OPHSCHNAPCOMEBACK.
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

Hello all. I haven't been around for the past 5 days, and haven't been paying attention to the discussion around these parts. I've missed like the last 4 stats topics. Even as obsessive about this contest as I am, there's no way I'm gonna read through all of that :) Haven't read this topic either. (though I have archived the topics on my computer)

Anyone care to fill me in on what's been transpiring around here? You know, the "Let me explain--no, there is too much. Let me know sum up..." version. Seems I've missed a lot of huge stuff--like Yoshi over Luigi, and especially Mega Man's great performance (didn't see that coming).

What's been the consensus analysis? Any interesting threads of discussion?
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Nothing really exciting happened last days. Every character was SFF'ed to hell in Links division. And the discussion is mostly about tomorrow. Master Chief has grown to an almost favorite position. But we all still hope Frog can win.
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44/44 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Frog

Frog has to win tomorrow. And watch all of the brackets fall to shambles as two huge casual fan favorites, Vercetti and MC, fall. It'll be a good day for me.
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Current Contest Score: 39/42
Today's Pick: Zero.

Yoshi vs. Luigi was boring as hell with Yoshi leading from the beginning, and Mega Man got very close to Clinkeroth's level.

Crono vs. Magus and Mario vs. Bowser were okay. Don't know what to say about those matches, aside from the fact that if Crono were actually strong enough to 70/30 Magus sans SFF then he would be capable of getting around 60% on Cloud.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

CN: Megaman arose as a possible title contender, and Tidus blotched what was perhaps his only chance ever to gain some respect on this board as far as his performance level is concerned.

I expected Zero to do better than that with the day vote. I'm a little disappointed, and he may very well get MURDERED next round.

For the 70% of the brackets with Megaman in the Sweet 16... I suppose it's better for him to have a third of the brackets to fall to Tidus or Shadow than half of the brackets putting Zelda or LARA CROFT over him.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 040/042 - Matches: 35/37 - Rank: 00116/33221 - Today: Zero - Tomorrow: Frog

ps2rulezzz:
Master Chief has grown to an almost favorite position.

In all honesty, he probably deserves to be the favorite. Though I still hold out hope that Frog shall be triumphant :)

Slowflake:
Tidus blotched what was perhaps his only chance ever to gain some respect on this board as far as his performance level is concerned.

Sad. He deserves better.

I expected Zero to do better than that with the day vote. I'm a little disappointed, and he may very well get MURDERED next round.

Yeah, there's a decent shot of it being well over 70%. Maybe if Zero gets a kick-ass pic, it would help. (I'm guessing that pics might matter more for SFF matches, since the fanbase is already showing that it's fickle)

For the 70% of the brackets with Megaman in the Sweet 16... I suppose it's better for him to have a third of the brackets to fall to Tidus or Shadow than half of the brackets putting Zelda or LARA CROFT over him.

I didn't even think of that. Perhaps the vastly increased confidence in Mega Man is further indication of rising popularity? Or just that a much larger portion of the bracket makers have followed the contest than last year. Or maybe Heroic Mario managed to brainwash tens of thousands of bracketeers... Who knows. It's definitely a huge reversal of the "underestimating Mega Man" trend.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

But we all still hope Frog can win.

You better believe that if I didn't have my bracket pick Frog, I'd be rallying votes as best as I can for MC.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Yeah of course, me too. I would vote for MC if he was in my bracket and if my bracket was already doomed. But I'm still perfect, and don't want to lose that tomorrow, so I'm going to vote for Frog.
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44/44 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Frog

If it gets super-close, I'm gonna vote Frog just 'cuz I can live with Master Chief being equal with Frog. If MC's winning or losing enough to not able to come back, he's gonna get my vote.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I'm in central time.

Your display settings might be wrong... the guy posted his prediction at 10:48 GameFAQs time.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 38/40
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Mega Man with 59.62%

Yeah of course, me too. I would vote for MC if he was in my bracket and if my bracket was already doomed. But I'm still perfect, and don't want to lose that tomorrow, so I'm going to vote for Frog.

Wait, wait...THAT'S why you started the latest Frog army??

For shame.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Nobody wants to lose... to help the board out as much as possible we must make Frog win.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Oh dear...I just saw the pic for the next match.

If it matters at all, Frog is in deep ****. Master Chief looks great. No one can fail to recognize who he is.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

I just found out today that my roommate had made a bracket also. He has some really odd choices, with Kefka in the elite 8 and Ness over Auron. o_O

Other than that most of his choices look really solid though, and he has the Sephiroth > Cloud upset with Link besting Sephiroth in the finals.

Nonetheless, it's kind of interesting to see the choices that someone made when he didn't even know that there were previous contests and was going entirely on his gut instinct.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

And Kefka SHOULD be that strong, too... bunch of weirdos come here.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

How is Zero's performance today a disappointment? A 60-40 victory is what I expected.
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Feat: OoT, Tetris, FF, MGS, SF64, Warcraft 3, MMX

You know creativ, actually I don't care for both of them, but Frog has a better personality. If my bracket was doomed I would go for the upset and vote MC, just like I've voted SC every time, and liked WW better. Actually I don't care for all characters in the contest, except for Sonic. I didn't even know most of them before coming to this site. And my opinion on who to vote on changes every minute. i just like Frog's theme, and think he's a decent character, and there goes my vote to.
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44/44 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Frog

Whoa, I just saw the poll from last year between Sephiroth vs. Megaman ... ... ... .... .... Megaman was purely.... owned.... 61% on Megaman, I didn't think that was possible.. Now I know there's absolutely no chance of Megaman taking down Link even with MMAC.. (no offense HM).. it's just what I think.. But it will be a good match nonetheless..

As for Frog vs. Master Chief.. We might be expecting too much excitement from this match.. It might just be a dud for either sides but hopefully it'll be close and interesting..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Sounds like me, in the Spring contest. My bracket was killer, with just 1-2 wrong in each division, except Halo to the final four. I had never been to gameFAQs in my life, and didn't even know what FF7 was. My final was OoT over CT (didn't know what that was either :-D).

So I use myself in saying, MC is VERY recognizable by the casuals, and because XBox is so popular everywhere else, namely Halo, a lot of bracketeers will have MC. I'm guessing about 30% had liquid, 25% frog, and 45% master chief.

Ever since Frog's unconvincing victory, it has left me wishing I had MC as an upset pick in my bracket. But I guess that unconvincing vitory really doesn't mean a thing, because nobody really knows how strong liquid would be somewhere else in the bracket. It will be an interesting match, nontheless, but I wouldn't be suprised at a convincing MC victory, with an early Frog push from the boards.
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Score: 37/40
20XX Picks: Megaman, Zero, Frog, Solid Snake

I am curious about something.. As for the Spring Contest, does anything think any game will actually be able to take down Final Fantasy VII?? FFVII might win for years to come and eventually be taken out..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

*sorry* it should read:
*does "anyone" think*

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Adventure would win over it, if only Tanner was in it.
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .42/44

It seems hard to imagine, and I think that would depend on the results of this character battle. If Clinkeroth doesn't win, then I say we have a new winner next spring contest.

I say that because after 2002, everybody "knew" Link would win again. Who thought Cloud would get it? Now all all "know" Clinkeroth will get it (mostly the Clink part), but maybe somebody new will just shove it in our faces. Maybe Samus, how awesome would that be *drifts away in wishful thinking*
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Score: 37/40
20XX Picks: Megaman, Zero, Frog, Solid Snake

Nothing can beat FF7 on this site. If OoT can't, then, there's no hope for humanity.

It's POSSIBLE that some Referse SFF might help FF8, but I really doubt it.
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I call it "Self Portrait in Late October"
I call it Last Place. Ding!

Maybe OoT, but I'm doubting even that.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Actually the boards' favorites to win this year are Cloud/Link.. not Sephiroth

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

After the convincing win Final Fantasy VII had over Ocarina of Time.. It's pretty safe to say FFVII will win again this year if there is to be another Spring Contest..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Actually the boards' favorites to win this year are Cloud/Link.. not Sephiroth

Directed to me? Yes, I said mostly the Cloud/Link part, as they are the huge favorites, but a few have Sephiroth winning (see: perfects, gurus), and a Seph victory would still make FF7 look just as strong for next year, especially if Cloud does better on Seph than Link does.

Or, in a similar fashion, in Seph does better on Cloud than Link does, FF7 will still look incredibly strong for next year.


I also think characters are more volatile to change than games. It takes a really really good game to come out and gain a lot of popularity, and its hard for an old game to suddenly gain a ton of popularity, outside of previous success. However, a handful of average games for a character, and no new ones for another, make the characters easier to fluxuate in popularity than the games they are from.
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Score: 37/40
20XX Picks: Megaman, Zero, Frog, Solid Snake

"After the convincing win Final Fantasy VII had over Ocarina of Time.. It's pretty safe to say FFVII will win again this year if there is to be another Spring Contest.."

And spring of last year we'd have said:

After the convincing wins Link had over everybody.. It's pretty safe to say Link will win again this year if there is another Summer Contest
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Call me crazy, but I think that if it had a proper seeding and could earn the support of the bracket voters, Starcraft could take out Final Fantasy VII.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

I'd call you crazy and hope you were right. XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

When I mentioned SC vs. FF7 during SC vs. SSBM and I asked for an estimated percentage, most people were telling me 40-42%, with one or two people saying 45%.

After seeing how SSBM did, does anyone still agree with that 40-42% number?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

After the convincing wins Link had over everybody.. It's pretty safe to say Link will win again this year if there is another Summer Contest

Characters =/= Games
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Arkenaga | aganekrA
It's all the Big Bang's fault - it started everything.

After the convincing wins Link had over everybody.. It's pretty safe to say Link will win again this year if there is another Summer Contest

Wouldn't that be different that the games contest - how would a game get a boost? Unless a new game could somehow become more popular on this site than FFVII. But I don't see how an older game could suddenly overtake it.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Call me crazy, but I think that if it had a proper seeding and could earn the support of the bracket voters, Starcraft could take out Final Fantasy VII.

Why get all that when they already have "MASS KOREANS = INSTANT WIN", a.k.a. B.net?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

"Characters =/= Games"

Asinine statements are still asinine statements. And I swear to god, if another person tells me of all people that characters do not equal games I will seriously flip out on anyone and everyone. I and the one that tried to get the idea across that LttP's performance against SM didn't mean much because of matters like that. I don't need you or anyother dumb ass telling me what I've known longer than you have.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Considering that the vote totals weren't significantly different in Starcraft's matches against other matches, I'd say that the outside help is being seriously overestimated (although I am aware that it is present, I wouldn't place it higher than 2000 votes).

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Considering that the vote totals weren't significantly different in Starcraft's matches against other matches, I'd say that the outside help is being seriously overestimated (although I am aware that it is present, I wouldn't place it higher than 2000 votes).

Halo/Starcraft was the match with the highest vote-total...and it was a 1-16 match in the first round.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Considering that there was a week long poll that featured MASSIVE spamming on every major Starcraft poll for CPL that only managed a meager 1600 votes for Starcraft, I don't see why anyone would think that a GameFAQs poll would get more when Starcraft gamers actually got something out of winning the CPL poll. It's not like Starcraft gamers have anything to gain from winning rounds in this contest.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Moltar's First Thoughts on: Tommy vs. Zero

Usual routine this morning. When I checked the polls, I was a little dissaponted to see Zero with 60% on Tommy, but I expect ed the day vote to boost him up.

I guess the day vote boost hasn't come yet...I guess Tommy isn't as weak as I thought...still weak though.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Mega Man vs. Tidus - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Mega (38/40)

Oh, and I got a question: I've been debating this in another topic...when we're trying to compare Frog's popularity, which would be better to use?

1) Comparing Solid-Liquid's popularity separation to Crono-Magus's.

2) Comparing Crono-Magus-Frog's popularity separations to Cloud-Sephiroth-Aeris's.

I believe in #2 very much; If you compare Cloud to Crono, Sephiroth to Magus, and FF7 to CT, the percentages don't fluctuate all that much. Then, Crono isn't much more popular than Magus, much like Cloud isn't much more popular than Sephiroth. From there, there's a big gap between Sephiroth and Aeris (we've argued over whether she's the third most popular or not, I know, but I don't think she's far enough away from third to make this obsolete, plus I truly think she is third)...so who's to say that Frog wouldn't take a big dip from Magus's level?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Frog should beat Solid Snake.

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"WE LIEK HITELR MOR CUZ HE AHS A CUULER LOKE AN GON ARMM ATTCKS!" ~MWiS/Scipio Africanus

20XX Division: Round 2 - Match 39 – (6)Frog vs. (3)Master Chief

Moltar’s Analysis

Frog - Glenn! Glenn, Glenn, Glenn! Glenn, Glenn Glenn!

Round 1 – vs. Liquid Snake (Frog: 50.05% - Liquid: 49.95%)

Frog was predicted to take this easily, but Liquid put up one heck of a fight.

Master Chief - Walk silently, and carry a big gun.

Round 1 – vs. Crash (MC: 70.72% - Crash: 29.28%)

Wow, Chief blows Crash away. He puts up 70% on the Bandicoot.

*I did have a long analysis here, but I guess I accidently saved Snake/Knuckles over it. So now it’s gone. I’ll do my best to say what I anted to say though. Sorry about that ^_^;*

After Crono won his division in 2002, and Magus did well in 2003, Frog was considered a snub. I mean, if his 2 CT buddies did that great, he could too. So when the brackets where released this year, people were estatic over the fact that Frog got a 6 seed. He was expected by most to beat Liquid and MC easily, and bow out respectfully to Solid. People were predicting Frog to get over 60% on Liquid and MC, but when the first poll came up, people were surprised to see Liquid putting up a fight. The two went back and forth at it all day, but Frog was able to pull through by less that 100 votes. We seriously underestimated Liquid that day…Speaking of underestimated…

The day brackets where released, people saw that Chief got a 3 seed again. After his less than stellar performance against Felix, and then losing to Aeris, him getting a 3 seed again was crazy. The board members where actually seeing Crash get good numbers on Chief. When the polls started though, Chief was doing great. He finished with over 70% on Crash. He also had a ton of bracket support, while Frog was the underdog in his match.

So who should take this match? It depends. If you think that Liquid is very strong, stronger than Master Chief, then you should believe Frog will win. If you think Frog was over-rated and Liquid was weak and Master Chief could own him, then go with MC. I think Frog can pull through, but I won’t be surprised if Chief beats Frog. Just shows us that Frog was HIGHLY overrated.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Frog will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Frog 52% - MC 48%
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Mega Man vs. Tidus - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Mega (38/40)

Ulti's Analysis

Well well well, don't we have quite the interesting match here? Not only has Frog come off of the fourth closest match of all time, but Master Chief is coming off of a 70-30 blowout against Crash Bandicoot. To add even more to the drama in this match, Frog was actually the bracket underdog in his match against Liquid Snake. It remains to be seen whether or not Frog overcoming this means a win in the second round, but Master Chief looks like he will give Frog a run for his money in this matchup. Our massive push to get Frog in this contest seems to have backfired in the form of Frog being a bit overseeded, and now he gets to go against another character who has historically been overseeded himself, though it didn't show in his first match.

On top of all of that, Master Chief does seem to be more well-liked than Frog, despite the initial instinct when looking at this match. Thanks to ilovebees.com, the hype for Halo 2 is at a dizzying high, and the game has already locked down one million pre orders. This flat-out shatters The Wind Waker's record, and that number will only get higher. On the other side, the best thing anyone can tell you about Frog is that his theme is cool. And his way of speaking is cool. Other than that, he isn't that good a character. He is overshadowed by everyone one else in Chrono Trigger in battle, and literally seems to be riding the strength of Board 8 and Chrono Trigger single-handedly in this match. Master Chief over Frog may be an upset to Board 8, but I doubt that it would be much of an upset anywhere else.

Could Liquid Snake take down Master Chief? Who knows, but we shall see. All we know at this point is that Master Chief is on the rise, while Frog is coming off of a close call.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Frog/Master Chief with 53.91%



Cena’s Analysis

Master Chief...3 seed. Uh, no. Frog is from Chrono Trigger and he's lucky enough to weild the Masamune. He also has the greatest theme song to ever be put into a video game. Master Chief doesn't even have a real name. Point Frog. MC's seed won't help him win here. This is not a case of Ryu Hayabusa/Jill Valentine. It won't be that close. I don't even think this deserves too much attention. With Frog being from a very weel rated RPG, and this site being geared away from X-Box ('cept for the wonderful X-BoxFAQs April Fools day), it won't fare to well for Mr. Halo. I'm still a bit worried, though, because of Frog's disastrous scrape of a win against Liquid Snake.
Cena’s Vote: Frog

Cena’s Prediction: Frog with 53% (Worried, yes, but I'm confident)
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Mega Man vs. Tidus - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Mega (38/40)

Eventually some other game would defeat FF VII, but maybe not this year. There will be new games that are massively popular, and FF VII's population will fade as it gets older and there are more new gamers that haven't played it.

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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 40/42
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Zero with 62.38%

I don't know if Ulti minds me mentioning this, but I remember reading his Post Contest Analysis thingy and this really stuck out to me:

"The Wind Waker will always be one of the bastard children of the Zelda series for its graphics, despite how much they are defended by hardcore fans of the Zelda series. I can assure you that had there been the exact same storyline with slightly harder bosses, only with the graphics seen in the Zelda 10 trailor, the Wind Waker could have steamrolled this division over, and possibly even beat FF7. Well, save the fact that you`re stuck sailing for 80% of the damned game. That really pissed me off. But aside from that, the game was damned good."

From the Zelda: TWW vs. SoA match. I remembered that because I thought it was a bit of an exaggeration at the time, but I'm still not entirely sure. If anything, do you think that changing the graphics on that game could have a huge effect on its popularity?

Oh, and sorry if you didn't want me mentioning this or something. O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Off-topic:

I discovered something today. It's called purgatory.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16192632

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I am Lucid Faia.

Frog...thine first great moment of glory draws near...by 52% you shall triumph :)

And as for Zero...he is looking at the ass end of a SFF 78-22 split in 2 weeks...Pathetic perfomance by the Red Robo...

And yes, my bracket can only go up when the Tommy Boys and Haloites fall today and tomorrow :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 8 SC2K4: 41/44 (Go FROG!)

61% on Megaman, I didn't think that was possible.. Now I know there's absolutely no chance of Megaman taking down Link even with MMAC.. (no offense HM).. it's just what I think.. But it will be a good match nonetheless..

Please tell me why? Just look at something for a second. Zero didn't increase at all from last year, but neither did Vercetti. Guess who wasn't present in MMAC? Zero. Protoman got into the contest right after MMAC was released and Mega Man looks downright amazing in terms of performance. I can't see how one can still deny MMAC's influence here.

Like I said before, Mega Man would be expected to put up 61% on Mario from last year when he'd be projected to get 50.45%. He's on their level and has a great shot at winning.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And I was hoping Zero could manage closer to 65% today, but looks like Vercetti didn't really move from last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Also due to the easy predictability of all 16 matches in this round...no satire til the Sweet 16 :)

Sorry about all that but i got some scathing ones ready for the Sweet 16 matchups :) So u will all have to muddle through boring Round 2 to see them...

Cause after Frog..its all downhill on the Snooze-a-rail!
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 8 SC2K4: 41/44 (Go FROG!)

Yep, my idea about fodder fluctuation looks pretty good. Due to the lack of a solid and devoted fanbase, most fodder (with the exception of cult characters like Luca Blight and Laharl, whose main problem is their fanbases are too small) appear to have a larger margin of error than the elite. They can either overperform or underperform by quite a bit depending on the opponent. We saw it it happen with Gordon Freeman and Max Payne this year. Matter of fact, I'd wager that Mr. Freeman could manage a respectable performance against Vercetti, yet someone like Kirby would beat him down as expected.

Eh, maybe it even happens to somebody like Tidus. He can hold his own against anyone who's not elite, but then his support crumbles when he faces the big boys and the legends. Sonic beat him handily in 2002 (perhaps a big overperformance and could be part of the reason he dropped as much as he did in 2003). I mean, look at what his projected percentage would be against Tidus going by last year's numbers and there's a big difference from what he did in 2002.

Well, this is all a work in progress anyway. We'll see how it pans out later.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Like I said

Frog will get between 62%-47% (Though both numbers are at the extreme)
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Summer 2004 Contest 37/42 Zero vs. Vercetti

Well, against Vercetti, Max Payne did have a new game to come out after the Summer 2003 contest.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I just noticed that Zero managed to get over 61%! At least he should come very close to matching exactly what he'd be projected to get in the X-sts.

And between 1 - 62 brackets need to fall in order for me to crack to the top 50. I have a feeling that could happen today with the wonderful Vercetti up.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well, how do you explain Fisher-Freeman, when it was Sam massively underperforming despite having a new game to his name? And Ratchet underperforming by quite a bit despite a new game to his name?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Honestly, Fisher I can't imagine why but Ratchet could fit your theory a bit more than anyone else.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It's more of a theory involving Freeman than Fisher. He's had three very different performances every contest (4 if you count Half-Life). Plus, it's hard to imagine Max Payne getting more of an increase from a new game than the average character would. He overperformed by quite a bit.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Here's a question to consider:

What character would you give this year's Bracket Buster Award to so far? Or if no one so far deserves it, what character do you think will be the most likely candidate?

Realistically speaking, I honestly have no idea.

What I would love to see, despite that it will almost definitely not happen, is Auron overcoming Sephiroth in Round 3. I honestly never cared for Sephy very much, whereas Auron is currently my personal fav VG character ever, and unlikely though it is, to see Auron beat Sephy would be nice.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Among the expert bracket makers, Tails beating Viewtiful Joe was the big one.

In the overall picture, Frog over Master Chief will be the one with the lowest prediction percentage of round 2.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Vivi could've had it, if he wasn't screwed by a bad placement.

;_;

By the way, does no one care about the TWW comment?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yeah. Frog will be the one who kills the most brackets with his percentage heading into round 3.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

In the overall picture, Frog over Master Chief will be the one with the lowest prediction percentage of round 2.

I said this about Viewtiful Joe in Joe vs. Tails, I will say it here. Don't try to pass it off as if Frog is the undeniable shoo-in for this match.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

However, IF Master Chief does manage to win tomorrow, there probably won't be a big bracket buster for round 2.

...Unless Sora beats Hayabusa, that is.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Master Chief beating Frog = the biggest bracket buster in the second round for brackets that have a shot still. If it happens.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Good thing MC won't be winning. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I could honestly see Master Chief winning. Heh, it would add Felix to my fodder fluctuation theory.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Good thing MC won't be winning. ;)

Think about last time we disagreed on a debatable match. Good. Remember what happened last time? That will happen again.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Don't forget the fact that Master Chief fluctuated too. Doing piss-poor against Felix to getting a respectable number on a Final Fantasy 7 character.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Wow. I've been wrong once in a debatable match, I guess that means you'll always be right and I'll always be wrong.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well, Master Chief only seemed to fluctuate because Felix overperformed. You saw his true strength against Aeris.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

It pisses me off to no end when people try to use that when discussing matches by the way.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I remember the last time Heroic Mario and I disagreed about a match and he was right. Seems like only yesterday...
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

It pisses me off to no end when people try to use that when discussing matches by the way.

I was actually just using it jokingly as a way to say, "I'm right so =P to you."
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I wish I could be that confident in Frog...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tommy vs Zero - Bracket: Zero - Vote: Zero (40/42)

I remember the last time Heroic Mario and I disagreed about a match and he was right. Seems like only yesterday...

XDDDDDDD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, I couldn't tell you were using it in a joking way. I've gotten crap from Joe vs Tails so much that I can't stand hearing it anymore when a discussion on a match pops up. People act as if my credibility is totally shot because I've been wrong once. Thankfully, I think yesterday got it all back.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

With all of this said, Frog is kickin' some ass tomorrow. GameFAQs needs to pull through and get one of the best characters in this contest through to the next round. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well I would give a lengthy analysis as to why I think MC would win but I'm not in the mood. If I do later it will be my first ever analysis ^_^
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yeah, we need to make sure Squall advances to round 2 here in a few days.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Master Chief can and will come through tomorrow!

and to TWW question, even if the graphics had been better, it wouldn't have risen to the popularity to beat ff7. The graphics may have been very offputting, and gave WW a bad picture overall to start with, but had the game been extremely good, it could have recovered. Graphics are an important part of games, and if a games got bad graphics, it can't really help. WW was good, I loved the whole

*SPOILERS*
hyrule being gone thing, and also the King dying at the end. A bit morose though to be ridfing around in his corpse though...
END


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I wish I could be that confident in Frog...

Does he know the meaning of not being confident? ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I gave my analysis of the Frog/Master Chief matchup a few pages back, but I didn't officially call it an "analysis". I mentioned a few key points though.

About Wind Waker. I actually liked it BETTER than OoT. LttP is my definite favorite. The story in WW was much better than OoT, and the game play was better too. I know the gameplay was BASED off of OoT, but that means it is SUPPOSED to be better. Sailing wasn't THAT bad. The most annoying part of sailing was having to change the wind every time you wanted to make a turn or U-turn. If they would have had something like having the C-stick instantly turning the wind, it would have been more tolerable. Oh yeah, and having to treasure hunt all the time got pretty old too. I don't think the graphics hurt it at all as a GAME (it may hurt Link). I think people complained about the graphics because they didn't like the way that Link looked. Those that don't like the graphics probably haven't even played it. The first thing I said when I first played it was "the animation is amazing!". If they would have upped the difficulty and the length (more dungeons, better bosses), it would easily have been my favorite Zelda game.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

A somewhat underwhelming performance from Zero here.

Oh, and Frog is in trouble. BIG trouble. He's not even that great a character...he has a nice musical theme, but his character design is VERY lame. I now expect MC to win tomorrow.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

A somewhat underwhelming performance from Zero here.

Right around what he should have gotten. Not like he's doing anything shocking either way.

Oh, and Frog is in trouble. BIG trouble. He's not even that great a character...he has a nice musical theme, but his character design is VERY lame. I now expect MC to win tomorrow.

Frog kicks ass on many, many different levels with that musical tune being one of them. And please explain how he's in "BIG trouble".
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It's disgusting to see how many people on this board change their opinions so much. Whatever happened to "Anyone who doesn't look at a sword-wielding amphibian in awe should question their purpose in this mortal coil"? :P (Not calling you out Ulti, just talking about the hype that you brought in saying that.)

It will be a close match, but to those bringing up all the "new" characters such as Ryu Hayabusa, Viewtiful Joe, and Jak being overrated and not doing what they were supposed to, why haven't you brought up Vivi? If Vivi can give Donkey Kong a 56/44 beating, why are people saying Frog is in big trouble? Frog should be more comparable to Vivi than he is to Joe. Ryu, Joe, and Jak each brought a new SERIES to the contest. Chrono Trigger is already established. Metal Gear was already established. Have you forgotten that Squaresoft voters will almost ALWAYS support their own? Frog still has a very decent chance in this match.

Not detracting from Master Chief any in this post... he's legit as well.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Vivi probably could've done better if he had had 65% of the brackets on his side. =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I now expect MC to win tomorrow.

I've been expecting MC to win since his performance over Crash. My bracket has had ample bracing time for an upcoming pwnage, and is used to it by now.
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Jon Thomson - today: Zero, tomorrow: Frog - 34/42
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Vivi did as well as Auron last year without SFF adjustments, which was still quite good. Don't put more than the customer asks.

I just read through Ulti's PCA, and by God, the way his Halo/Starcraft preview was written... let's just say that if he could smash Chief's chances tomorrow like that everyone would be all over Frog by now.

Whatever happened to that new Syphon Filter anyway? Did it bomb like Ulti hoped? ;)
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 040/042 - Matches: 35/37 - Rank: 00116/33221 - Today: Zero - Tomorrow: Frog

Vivi did as well as Auron last year without SFF adjustments, which was still quite good. Don't put more than the customer asks.

Bah. =(

I just read through Ulti's PCA, and by God, the way his Halo/Starcraft preview was written... let's just say that if he could smash Chief's chances tomorrow like that everyone would be all over Frog by now.

He'll have a field day next year with Ganondorf. He'll get every single person who IMs him about a bracket to put some random fodder character over Ganondorf... heh.

Whatever happened to that new Syphon Filter anyway? Did it bomb like Ulti hoped? ;)

Probably... HM?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

You mean, like the guy who IMed him and he persuaded him to put Zero over Megaman?

Speaking of which, Zero's looking better with the evening vote, something I fail to understand.

Still, I get the feeling Megaman is going to send parts of him to the junk pile, and the rest back to the pr0n drawing board. I wonder how that dude from the first paragraph must be feeling right now.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 040/042 - Matches: 35/37 - Rank: 00116/33221 - Today: Zero - Tomorrow: Frog

I wish i can also be that confident in a Frog victory but i can seriously see Master Chief pulling this off with not just a win but rather a "convincing" win.. Or i can just be completely off and be owned by Frog with a convincing win over Master Chief..

As for the TWW comment.. Even if the graphics were better, there's no way it would have gotten past Final Fantasy VII.. The TWW was probably the weakest of LoZ with OoT being on top and LttP being right behind than WW..

SORRY CHICHIRI, i don't mean to offend you or anything but Characters does not equal Games in terms of strength and popularity. It does for some but not for all.. I am pretty sure that Final Fantasy VII stands a few notches above Cloud Strife and Sephiroth.. I just don't see how it can be taken down this coming Spring Contest..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

SORRY CHICHIRI, i don't mean to offend you or anything but Characters does not equal Games in terms of strength and popularity.

Did you read what he wrote? O_o

He said that he knew that already; he was one of the first people who was pointing that out and doesn't need to be lectured about it...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Two questions regarding the spring contest:

One, does anyone have a link to Ulti's post contest analysis?

Two, if someone DID bring FFVII down in the next spring contest, what game would it be?

I don't see any games from the spring contest gaining enough to take down FFVII. Someone already pointed out that games are different from characters in the fact that characters may fluctuate in popularity from year to year, as games are pretty much stable. I agree with that. FFVII may get beat in the FUTURE, but I don't see it happening next year, unless the new Zelda blows everybody's mind. I do think that FFVII would be more vulnerable if the bracket was mixed up, but I don't see any of the returning games outright taking it down next year. 3-4 years from now? An entirely different story....

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I'd also find it harder for a game to fluctuate in popularity, especially ones that aren't exactly brand-new. The only way I could see Final Fantasy 7 losing is if a new game comes out that completely owns or a game that didn't make it in, but isn't new beats it.

Not to say that'd we'd even get another game contest in the spring, but if we do I demand Mega Man get one title at least in there. Oh and none of that division by era.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Not to say that'd we'd even get another game contest in the spring, but if we do I demand Mega Man get one title at least in there. Oh and none of that division by era.

Agreed.. Megaman X anyone?


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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Heroic Mario, I left you an opening to come in and say that a Mega Man game would enter and take down FFVII. :P

Seriously, if Mega Man 2 and Mega Man X aren't in next years contest, I will be HIGHLY upset. Hmmmm, would MMAC have been eligible to be in Division 128?

Oh yeah, still waiting on the PCA link....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I don't think that a best game ever contest would really work if we did it every year. I think it would work better as an every 2 or 3 year thing, simply because we wouldn't get enough new blood in every year.
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Summer Contest Match 38 Zero vs Tommy
Status 33/36 Points: 037 Next: Master Chief vs. FROG!!!!!

Mega Man 2 would lay some damage onto the game that is Final Fantasy 7. Just goes without saying. ;)

If MMAC were eligible for the 128 division I'd imagine Sonic Mega Collection, Zelda Collector's Edition, etc. would be. It's kind of unfair when you think about it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I was joking about MMAC. Although I do think that it could have taken Division 128 since it was so wide open. Also, last comment before I go lift weights, nobody has noted on the fact that the Spring Contest didn't have the same restrictions as the Summer Contests. Mainly, even though the characters had to originate from a video games, it didn't say that the GAMES had to be original right? Goldeneye got in..... So my question is....

*blatant plug*
Why weren't TMNT2: The Arcade Game and TMNTIV: Turtles in Time in the contest????

I'd pick both games to easily be in the top half of their divisions.... But maybe that's just me... <_<
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Hm. I am curious what you guys think about my analysis. It will be in my next post. If it is received fairly well, I will make a topic.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Before I begin this analysis, I will provide all the past vote totals/percentages for any matches that Frog and Master Chief participated in.

Frog:

vs. Liquid Snake

Frog 50.05% 43913
Liquid Snake 49.95% 43820
TOTAL VOTES 87733

Well... He hasn't been in very many matches.

Master Chief:

vs. Felix

Master Chief 52.96% 56549
Felix 47.04% 50231
TOTAL VOTES 106780

vs. Aeris

Aeris Gainsborough 60.15% 65136
Master Chief 39.85% 43161
TOTAL VOTES 108297

vs. Crash Bandicoot

Master Chief 70.72% 54469
Crash Bandicoot 29.28% 22552
TOTAL VOTES 77021


As you can see, Master Chief has been in a fair few matches.


Now, as soon as the gates to this tournament were opened, everyone was overjoyed that local snub Frog had been included in the tournament. They were equally appauled that someone like MASTER CHIEF could POSSIBLY get the 3 seed. Of course, Frog immediately became the favorite to reach the sweet sixteen and lose to Solid Snake, though some risk takers put Frog past the Snake. However, few talked about Master Chief getting past Frog, assuming it was not even a plausible occurrence. Frog's first match against Liquid Snake was allegedly going to go off without a hitch seeing Frog the winner by a good 55%. Then, disaster struck. Frog vs. Liquid was a ridiculously CLOSE match, each competitor taking the lead then losing it just as fast. When the dust cleared, Frog was the victor, but not by nearly as much as expected. All the Frog supporters who had said the amphibian would destroy Liquid quickly retracted their statements and argued that Liquid was clearly a strong competitor.

Next up was the big MC. Master Chief, the very symbol of X-Box. Master Chief, the guy who had trouble dispatching Felix. Master Chief, who was never expected to perform well in ANY match after that. Master Chief who was so pathetic that he WHAT?!?! Master Chief who got 70% on Crash?!?! Yes, MC absolutely destroyed Crash, much to everyone's surprise. Of course, everyone immediately decided that this just meant Crash had taken a drastic fall this year, never attributing it to a Chief gain. And so the stage was set for the action-packed battle of Frog vs. Master Chief.

There are quite a few arguments that essentially give Frog this match before it even starts, and they seem flawless, at a glance at least. But upon further investigation of these claims, flaws are easily found. The most popular argument is probably the fact that Chrono Trigger recently got to the finals of the Best. Game. Ever. battle. They immediately assume that this is clear indication that Frog is a powerhouse just waiting to be seen in action. I have two words for you. Sarah. Kerrigan. Allow me to elaborate. I'm sure everyone is aware of Starcraft's surprise dominance in the Spring Contest. Unless you believe Sarah Kerrigan would be a powerful competitor in a Summer Contest atmosphere, you should know that characters and games are not interchangable. "But what about the power Crono and Magus constantly display?!?!?!" Crono is so powerful because the game has his name directly in the title (okay it's Chrono in the title but most people think Crono). Magus on the other hand, is a bad-ass mage who kicks ass, takes names, and drinks Duke Nukem. Frog, on my magical third hand, is just that. A frog. Unless you have played the game, you PROBABLY won't like Frog. Now let's examine Master Chief. There isn't much to say about him character-wise. Master Chief is, for all intents and purposes, X-Box. He is the very embodiment of the heavy system.

Another popular argument is "X-Box Hate". I will agree with you that there was X-Box hate last year. But between the first and second rounds of the Summer Contest, it already showed signs of diminishing. Master Chief went from 52% on Felix to 40% on AERIS, Queen of the Spoilers! From FF7, which had its two main characters duke it out in the finals last year. Say all you want but obtaining 40% against ANY FF7 character other than Cait Sith or Yuffie is no small feat. Some people may be saying, "So what? The X-Box hate went down a bit. It is probably still there for the most part." I am afraid I have to disagree with you. I present to you, the following proof:

Halo: Combat Evolved 49.83% 56258
Starcraft 51.17% 56631
TOTAL VOTES 112889


Again, Starcraft was quite the powerhouse in the Spring Contest, even going as far as defeating a Zelda game. Halo proved to be almost as powerful as Starcraft. X-Box hate? So last year. Then, as if he wanted to further solidify the fact that X-Box hate is dead, Master Chief absolutely obliterated Crash. I am sure many of you are saying, "Big deal. Washed up mascots don't make great testing dummies." Well, I will just tell you that Master Chief performed 6% better than expected.

A third argument which is shot down, rather quickly as well, is Master Chief's pathetic showing against Felix. This was most likely just a fluke. Master Chief DID go on to get 40% on Aeris shortly after his match with Felix, so this match was just an anomoly. One could say that Master Chief's fight with AERIS was the fluke, but that hardly makes sense when taking into account his performance against Crash. Now, I for one do NOT think that Frog would get any better than 43% on Aeris. "But MasterMage, that's 3% BETTER than the chief!!!! FISSION MAILED XDXD!!!" Ah, my fine feathered friend, that's where you are wrong. I firmly believe that Master Chief has gone up a sizable portion this year, within the range of getting 45% on Aeris now.

Now for the extra little things that could possibly give Master Chief a few votes here and there. Hype and Picture. I know, I know, "Hype does nothing," blah blah blah. Ordinarily, I'd agree. However, over 1,000,000 pre-orders tends to turn a few heads. People ARE thinking about Halo 2. And luckily for Master Chief, his match is a little before Halo 2 is released, therefore giving the game no time to disappoint anyone. Of course, I doubt it will be disappointing at all but still. And now, the ever mystical "picture advantage". I will say right now that picture advantage doesn't do much. However, IF it is a close match, the picture advantage takes a bit more meaning. Therefore, if this match turns out to be a nail-biter, MC may benefit from the fact that Frog has a terrible mug shot. After seeing the picture, I for one would not vote Frog if I had never heard of either character. One more factor that could come into play is that fact that many, MANY people absolutely love bees.

My prediction for this match is Master Chief with 52% of the votes. My bracket has Master Chief winning, as does my heart. If you actually took the time to read this, thank you, and I look forward to your ridicule.

Ah, I couldn't imagine a NES game winning the contest. Mario 3 is likely the strongest representative from the 8-bit era. Even at its strongest, it could only manage around 40% on Final Fantasy VII. I can't see an old game taking it down, or possibly even any new game. Zelda 10 would have to be better than Ocarina of Time in every conceivable way before it could win, and that's about the only game I could see getting it done. It wouldn't be out in time to be eligible for the next Spring Contest though.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

=(

Read my analysis ;-;
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

There's really not much reason to have another game contest. Certainly not every year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Master Chief who got 70% on Crash?!?!

That's really not that much of an accomplishment anymore. Plenty of reason for it to be attributed to Crash going down as opposed to it being Master Chief all going up.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Eh, it could be somewhat more interesting if CJayC just mixed up the bracket at random and didn't have the generation rule for series. The winner would be obvious, but at least we could have some interesting matchups. Then we could retire the Spring Contest.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Heh, Crash is another example of my fodder fluctuation theory. He performed at 2002 levels against Master Chief. I think the only reason he went up in strength last year was due to the opponent he faced. KOS-MOS is more of a cult character, so it would make sense that a mainstream platforming icon (even though he's nearly dead now) would overperform.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Yeah, I don't know if the Spring Contest is going to be a staple thing, maybe something different this year for the spring, or maybe nothing for the spring. I don't see a different winner for the spring though, because it just doesn't seem that a game's popularity can really change much.
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That's really not that much of an accomplishment anymore. Plenty of reason for it to be attributed to Crash going down as opposed to it being Master Chief all going up.

There is still reason to believe that X-Box hate diminished and that helps prove it. I was only using Crash to prove that point. If people really hate X-Box, why shouldn't they vote for Crash? Most people know who he is.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Again, Crash performed as he should have if he were still at 2002 levels against Master Chief, and he has a reasonable explanation to have supposedly gone up last summer. That overperformance was more Bandicoot than MC.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I will cry if Frog loses.

He is my second favorite character, period. I love Halo, I read the books, I am going to a Midnight release party at my local EB for Halo 2, I think John AKA Master Chief is awesome. But Frog is....a Frog. And his theme kicks ass, if you don't think so I spit on you.

Go Frog!
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 42/44 (Yoshi) Pick: Frog

Ah, I couldn't imagine a NES game winning the contest. Mario 3 is likely the strongest representative from the 8-bit era. Even at its strongest, it could only manage around 40% on Final Fantasy VII. I can't see an old game taking it down, or possibly even any new game. Zelda 10 would have to be better than Ocarina of Time in every conceivable way before it could win, and that's about the only game I could see getting it done. It wouldn't be out in time to be eligible for the next Spring Contest though.

Agreed..

As for the analysis Mastermage gave, I thought it was well put and has good reasonings to why Master Chief can win. I agree with him and say Master Chief will win the match tomorrow even though my bracket has Frog as the victor. I might be totally off and say that Liquid is not that strong of a contender and that Frog is just way too hyped. We don't know much for these new characters as there is nothing we can base their strengths on. The question Heroic Mario was always asking is can you see a Master Chief > Liquid Snake victory? I can see it and that's why I am assuming Frog will lose tomorrow. I won't get my hopes up for tomorrow since as I have said before, the match can totally be a dud and either one can have a convincing win over the other.

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I could see Master Chief beating Liquid Snake, and that's what's got me nervous about tomorrow's match. He's just like Tidus: He's a lot stronger than we give him credit for.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I always could have seen Master Chief beating Liquid. I am sure a lot of other Frog supporters could have too, then changed their opinion as soon as Frog vs Liquid was close.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Eh, it could be somewhat more interesting if CJayC just mixed up the bracket at random and didn't have the generation rule for series.

It would be more interesting with that. Like you mentioned, the winner is still obvious and that makes the contest just a whole lot less interesting.

There is still reason to believe that X-Box hate diminished and that helps prove it.

There was never anything to pove that Xbox hate existed in the first place. It was just something that became more commonly accepted, much like Mario's anti-votes.

I was only using Crash to prove that point. If people really hate X-Box, why shouldn't they vote for Crash? Most people know who he is.

Why do they hate Xbox? There's never been anything to prove that they hated it in the first place and given the fact that Crash performed much more like a 2002 level and with nothing to possibly help him winning with 70% shouldn't send shockwaves through everyone.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

MasterMage, good friggin' job.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Zero, by the way, has surpassed his projection of 61.56% and sits at 61.6%. He didn't take the day vote as much as he is the night vote.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think 52% on Felix is a fairly solid proof that there was X-Box hate initially. Maybe not after that match, but to say there was NEVER X-Box hate is silly.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

MasterMage, good friggin' job.

^_^ Thank you.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Hehe.. Heroic Mario is extremely confident in Frog..
*sigh* .. I wish i can be that confident as I got Frog in my bracket.. Bu then again, being that confident could get me owned pretty hard if Master Chief wins..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I'll bet that, if MC wins, you will be the last remaining perfect....MAYBE 2.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 42/44 (Yoshi) Pick: Frog

That would make me laugh. A lot. Especially considering how many people would probably make fun of me when the last remaining perfect lost it on Ryu vs. Sonic.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I might be totally off and say that Liquid is not that strong of a contender

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for Liquid Snake not to be a strong contender. Why, why should the main villain of Metal Gear Solid be weak? Why should he have such a difference from the main hero? The Hero-Villain difference normally isn't very large at all.

The question Heroic Mario was always asking is can you see a Master Chief > Liquid Snake victory? I can see it and that's why I am assuming Frog will lose tomorrow.

I couldn't see it even if I wanted to see it. Liquid Snake losing to Master Chief would downright baffle me.

He's just like Tidus: He's a lot stronger than we give him credit for.

It isn't a matter of not giving Master Chief what strength he has. Just that Frog doesn't have to be that strong in order to beat Master Chief.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The match tomorrow will tell us a lot of things. If Frog performs at about the level of Felix, I think we can say that Master Chief's round 1 matchup last year was a fluke. I know HM is very high on Felix and thinks a lot of his ability as a contestant, but I don't think he could see him being stronger than Frog either.

If Frog wins by a comfortable margin (as in, leads wire-to-wire without ever being contested), Felix's performance was likely legit.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Naw Samurai...his PWN'ing if MC wins will be nothing compared to how PWN'D he was when Joe lost...
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 42/44 (Yoshi) Pick: Frog

I think 52% on Felix is a fairly solid proof that there was X-Box hate initially. Maybe not after that match, but to say there was NEVER X-Box hate is silly.

That doesn't prove a damn thing. I've already been through the Felix ordeal and it's not proven that Felix wasn't that strong to begin with. There hasn't been anything so far to prove that Master Chief has gotten anti-votes or "anti-Xbox votes". Just like there wouldn't be a reason for these "anti-votes" to go down.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It isn't a matter of not giving Master Chief what strength he has. Just that Frog doesn't have to be that strong in order to beat Master Chief.

By no means does Frog have to be a powerhouse to win, but Master Chief is more than capable of walking away with the victory tomorrow.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

By no means does Frog have to be a powerhouse to win, but Master Chief is more than capable of walking away with the victory tomorrow.

Personally, I'd be very surprised if that happened.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

We've been surprised by a lot of the results in this contest lately. What's one more?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

By no means does Frog have to be a powerhouse to win, but Master Chief is more than capable of walking away with the victory tomorrow.

Agreed especially with the more than capable of walking away with the victory tomorrow.

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

That doesn't prove a damn thing. I've already been through the Felix ordeal and it's not proven that Felix wasn't that strong to begin with. There hasn't been anything so far to prove that Master Chief has gotten anti-votes or "anti-Xbox votes". Just like there wouldn't be a reason for these "anti-votes" to go down.

I seriously can't imagine Felix being a strong competitor. Ever. And the reason anti-votes would go down is because people have had a long time to warm up to X-Box, and the system has a much better line-up now (as opposed to one game). That in addition to the fact that it is no longer "cool" to hate X-Box gives the reason for anti-votes to drop.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

It'd be one big one to me.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I remember the hype that the board had last year around MC/Felix, and I remember quite afew people having Felix as their upset special (second only to Ness over Bowser, if memory serves me right). I think Felix DOES have some strength, but not to the point of what he got on MC.

It's all assumptions until Felix makes it in another contest, and that might not be ever again.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Couple of responses to things:

Mumei, that was a slight exaggeration, though The Wind Waker is still a good game.

Heroic Mario, people on this board make a living out of jumping on you whenever they're wrong. Trust me, I would know.

As for the guy who questioned my stance on Frog, Frog's entire character model is decent. But when the match picture features nothing but a face, you have problems.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I seriously can't imagine Felix being a strong competitor.

Considering who was below him he probably wouldn't keep that 30th level given how the stats aren't accurate to a tee. Regardles, he should not at all be much further down than what they have him at. Certainly not to prove "anti-Xbox votes" were out there.

And the reason anti-votes would go down is because people have had a long time to warm up to X-Box,

So they warm up to the Xbox and then all of a sudden feel a need to vote for Master Chief? Really, because nothing would have changed for them to reconsider voting for MC.

and the system has a much better line-up now (as opposed to one game). That in addition to the fact that it is no longer "cool" to hate X-Box gives the reason for anti-votes to drop.

So, because they hate Xbox less they'd vote for Master Chief now? They haven't had a reason in the past year to change their opinion of Chief but they'll do it? Assuming these "anti-votes" are all out there rearing their head as a big factor.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I remember the hype that the board had last year around MC/Felix, and I remember quite afew people having Felix as their upset special (second only to Ness over Bowser, if memory serves me right). I think Felix DOES have some strength, but not to the point of what he got on MC.

Felix was where I lost my perfect bracket last year, but I never really considered it an "upset special".
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Master Chief and X-Box are almost interchangable. Master Chief symbolizes X-Box. He isn't just the mascot, he IS the system when it comes to voters.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Ok.. I am taking a breather on Frog vs. Master Chief topic.. =)

Hey Leonhart4 or anyone else, what do you guys think the percent split would go in Kirby vs. Squall?

IMHO.. I seriously can see Squall breaking 60% on Kirby, maybe I am just overestimating Squall or just blindly lead on because he is one of my favorite character but it's my gut feeling..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I'm thinking Squall with 57%. Didn't Kirby perform better than expected?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Squall should win with around 57-58% of the vote. Don't take his "underperformance" against Bomberman too seriously. He's still Kingdom Hearts Squall.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Master Chief and X-Box are almost interchangable. Master Chief symbolizes X-Box. He isn't just the mascot, he IS the system when it comes to voters.

Much like Mario represents Nintendo and was suppose to get their bulk of the anti-votes? Although, I was playing along with the idea of "anti-Xbox votes" being a big factor.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

My PCA is on creativename's site, and I'm working on reposting my first PCA so that creative can get it on there. I may even write a PCA for the 2002 contest, just for the hell of it.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Question: are there any X-Box fans who don't like Halo/Master Chief?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Although I like both characters, I would give up my 2 points just to see Kirby win and anger of ertyu.
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Lonely Angel
Summer 2004 Contest Prediction: Match 38: Zero wins 76.25%-24.75% Domination Zero!

It's hard to say whether Kirby overperformed against Kain or not. We've only got Raziel to measure him by.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Much like Mario represents Nintendo and was suppose to get their bulk of the anti-votes? Although, I was playing along with the idea of "anti-Xbox votes" being a big factor.

Much like Mario USED to represent Nintendo. Nowadays, the big N has quite a few mascots.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

No, Mario always has been and always will be Mr. Nintendo. Link being more popular than him means nothing.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I don;t know about not liking MC, but I doubt most Xbox fans would vote someone over MC.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Hot damn, Zero is doing some serious night voting dominating.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think Samus Aran should be Mrs. N >_>
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Okay, Mario still is the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Nintendo, but I really meant that Nintendo would probably perform better than Mario in a contest setting.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Much like Mario USED to represent Nintendo. Nowadays, the big N has quite a few mascots.

There's not "used" to it my friend. He has and always will be the representer of Nintendo.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yeah, and two of those Nintendo mascots could bring home the gold this year.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Nah, Samus would never beat Link head-to-head. If she made it to the finals, she'd lose.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I know I'm voting Snake next round, regardless of whether Frog or MC wins. I love my X-Box, too.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

There's not "used" to it my friend. He has and always will be the representer of Nintendo.

Even though I don't always agree with Heroic Mario, but I highly agree with him on this one.. It's not possible to not think of Mario when you hear Nintendo... Screw Link and everyone else as Mario will always be the true representer of Nintendo..

As for Samus.. Yes Ulti, she is very well the Mrs. Nintendo.. =)

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

The only way I'd vote Snake next round is if Master Chief somehow managed to beat Frog.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

To the rest of the gaming world, Mario IS video games. Here, its Cloud.

The way I see it though, Cloud from SMB3 > Cloud from FF7
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Summer Contest Match 38 Zero vs Tommy
Status 33/36 Points: 037 Next: Master Chief vs. FROG!!!!!

From: MasterMage119 | Posted: 9/8/2004 10:08:24 PM | Message Detail
Okay, Mario still is the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Nintendo, but I really meant that Nintendo would probably perform better than Mario in a contest setting.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal


I agree with you guys. I just don't think Nintendo is interchangable with Mario.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

After playing the Twin Snakes, I'm starting to understand why people like Snake so much. He's a cool character, but I'd still vote Frog over him next round.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I think if Link wasn't face Samus in the finals, then Samus would stand a damn good chance against Mega Man.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Mario is Mr. Nintendo. He's what Mickey Mouse is to Disney.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I guess it's time to move on.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Since this topic is near full I'm gonna repost my analysis in 53 for other people who aren't here right now.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Good game.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tommy vs Zero - Bracket: Zero - Vote: Zero (40/42)